What up peeps, welcome to the Fit to fat to fit experience podcast. That’s me, your host drew Manning. Once again. Thank you guys for tuning in each and every week for another great episode on the podcast. Look at before we get started today. Just want to say, I really, really appreciate you guys tuning in and listening to this podcast and giving it the support. And I really, really hope that you guys do find value in this and this podcast. And the people that I bring on, uh, today’s episode is, is a great episode. I think, an important topic that gets overlooked in the health and fitness industry, and a lot of people just sometimes don’t know about this. So my goal is to bring people on, to make us all aware me included. And so, yeah, my guest today is dr. Jay and dr. Anthony Jay. He is, he grew up in Minnesota.

He went to college at Ave, Maria university, uh, Florida, and earned a BA with a double major in biology and theology. He is the author of a book called Astro generation. How estrogenic are making you fat, sick and fertile. It’s a, he’s an expert on artificial estrogen chemicals and, um, his book kind of dives into that. Now I haven’t read his book yet. And he actually reached out to me, uh, through a private Facebook message. And, um, I thought it was intriguing. I’ve heard about, you know, estrogen necks in all types of things from, you know, shampoo to deodorant, to lotions and all the different types of products that we’ve been putting on our bodies in our bodies for years and decades now and how that affects our hormones. And, uh, so we kind of dive into that today and, um, you’ll be surprised that all the different ingredients and all the products out there that are causing so many issues with our population.

So I thought it was a great topic too, to discuss. And like I said, just make us more aware, not saying that you need to go live in a cave and never brush your teeth again with toothpaste or, you know, never wear deodorant, but the idea is just to raise our level of awareness. So it’s definitely worth a listen for sure. I know I learned a lot from dr. Jay. I know you will, as well before we dive into the episode though, I want to announce you guys that finally finally am launching my KIDO program, which I’ve been meaning to do ever since I was on the dr. Oz show about a year ago, I think coming up on a year, I just didn’t plan on going on the doctor. I show to talk about the keto diet, but I’ve been a huge, huge proponent of it.

I’m not a doctor. I don’t consider myself even a fitness guru, if you will. Um, I am a self experimenter and I love experimenting on myself to find out what’s best for me. And the thing I love the keto diet is that right improvement in cognitive function and mental clarity for me. And yes, you can lose weight and burned fat, uh, which, you know, can be a one of the side effects of doing a diet, but there’s also many therapeutic applications to it. Anyways, I, over the years, I put together a 60 day, easy to follow intro to Quito jumpstart type of plan, um, with a detailed meal plan and grocery lists and food, this, um, the types of foods that you should be eating on a ketogenic diet, um, with instructions of how to do this diet, because there is a lot of confusion about it.

Uh, it’s a small, easy PDF that you can follow along. Um, I even threw in a 60 day workout program they can do from home or the gym with minimal equipment. And it’s a great structured workout program that a lot of people have found success actually. Uh, I recently did a keto challenge through a quest Quito, and we, you know, they give away $500 to the winner. I’ve had over 2,500 people join this challenge. It’s a very similar program to the one that was in there. Um, and I had, you know, hundreds of transformation stories of how this diet has transformed people’s lives, not just physically, but mentally and emotionally as well, and, you know, impacting people’s health, uh, for the positive. And so anyways, it’s finally available@quitodotfittofattofit.com. The link will be in the show notes, and I want you guys to check it out. It’s just $37 for the entire 60 day keto program with instructions on how to do it in videos of, of how to best implement this day for you. And I think you will really like it. So definitely check that out. Uh, before we jump into today’s episode, we have to give a shout to our show sponsors. Of course,

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All right. Dr. Jay, welcome to the fit to fat, to fit experience podcast. How are you doing today? Great. Thanks for having me on I’m excited. Hey, my pleasure. Um, now where, where do you live in, in Newton, Massachusetts. So basically Boston, everybody around here. We just say Boston or anywhere near Boston. Yeah. No, that’s a great place to live. I’ve heard good things. I heard. They’ve got a good football team out there, so yeah. Well, thanks so much. Thanks so much for joining me. I appreciate it. Um, I kind of want to introduce you a little bit to my followers and just kind of give my fellows a little bit of background. Basically, you reached out to me on my Facebook page and sometimes to be honest with you, those messages get

Bogged down, but then there was a funny picture that you sent and it kind of stood out.

Yeah. I can’t even talk about that. You’ll have to remind me, actually, I don’t even remember. I think it was you muscle picture. Yes. In like a cowboy hat or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got it. Okay. So I do a YouTube channel it’s called chagrin and tonic kind of like the problems, the health problems, and then health solutions. Right. And I wear a red cammo tie and I like that red cammo color. So I actually had a red cammo, uh, like graduation cap on there. That’s what it was. That’s kind of my, yeah, it’s kinda my style. I’m not really that buff for people that are listening. I’m kind of scrawny, obviously drew here is ripped. And so I thought, you know, it’s kind of a funny picture. People can, you know, it’s good contrast, right?

Yeah, for sure. No. And I appreciate you reaching out and I’m glad that I saw your message and, and I think the, the topic that you want to touch on today is really important and very, I think overlooked a lot of people that don’t know about it. Um, and I think it’s really important to touch on these subjects. Cause I think these kinds of things really do affect us and, and we’ll get into how they affect us as well. But let’s start off with a little bit of your background. Like w you know, what were your passions growing up? Where did you grow up? And then how did you, you know, how did you get to where you are today?

Yeah, thanks. So I actually grew up in Minnesota and a lot of outdoors. I like fishing, all that stuff, anything outdoorsy. And then I went to college in Florida and got a biology. I actually got a double major biology and theology and then a double minor in classics and chemistry. So it kind of sounds really random, but they’re connected because classics is Greek and Latin. And then, uh, yeah. Then I came up to Boston to do Alzheimer’s research directly out of college. And it was a great,

What was your connection to that? That was it. Were you passionate about it? Did you have a personal experience?

Yeah. Well, I used to do a, just research in the lab. I enjoyed working in the lab and, you know, it’s fun. I used to joke. I still kind of joke sometimes it’s, it’s basically like adults playing with toys, right? I mean, you go in there and you have these really hot, obviously they’re multimillion dollar machines sometimes, but you know, it’s a lot of fun actually, when you really get into it and you can, you know, you can make a big difference and help a lot of people. And I think that’s kind of where I’ve turned right over the years. So I, I, you know, I started working in the lab on Alzheimer’s and then I ended up going and doing my PhD and right around the time when I was starting, my PhD actually started a consulting company called AGA consulting company. And essentially the idea is to help people with their DNA, their DNA, and kind of personalize some of the science, make it simple for people to understand. And I, you know, I’ve personally, I’ve had some health issues, nothing major, like, like a lot of people, but, you know, like allergies and acid reflux and some of these things just coming of nowhere. And a lot of it was, you know, poor diet and I just wasn’t exercising at all. And it made me really realize, you know, especially when I started to change my diet and changed my exercise, how, you know, how much difference that makes on your life. Right.

Yeah. And, you know, what’s so interesting is, you know, here you are a PhD and even like some doctors, I think for not the most part, but sometimes can be some of the most unhealthiest people. Cause they’re so busy doing things for other people. They kind of sacrifice themselves. Same thing with nurses, even though they know, okay, I should exercise a shitty healthy, they know how to do it. Right. It’s just the actual doing of it. And so I see that a lot. It’s a trend with, uh, you know, not just, not just doctors, but entrepreneurs, people who are super busy trying to serve other people, they kind of forget themselves.

That’s true. And my dad’s a doctor and I bring, I bring him up because he actually has cancer. And you know, obviously that’s not his fault necessarily, but, um, you know, I’ve grown up kind of in this medical culture. And I have a nonprofit now that I’m run called the international medical research collaborative. And, you know, I’ve seen as I’ve kind of gone through, right, I’ve seen the, the medical establishment and I’ve seen some of the problems with it in terms of, you know, prescribing drugs, right. They’re looking for symptoms, they’re prescribing drugs as opposed to getting to the real root cause of some of these health problems. And I, you know, some doctors appreciate that, but a lot of them don’t, and I didn’t originally, I didn’t use to appreciate that, but I’ve come around now where I appreciate, you know, the preventative type of thing. Right? So you improve your diet, for example, then you, the arthritis goes away or whatever, you know, some of these root cause problems really go away. And it’s amazing to see. And that’s kind of where my passion is now, especially with these artificial estrogens. Right. That’s why I wrote this book is because, you know, I see a lot of impact. It has on people preventatively.

Yeah. So, well, let’s talk about the book, what’s the name of it. First of all, Astro generation Astro generation. Okay. What was the, um, what was the story behind the book? What caused you to want to write about this book and what kind of started it all for you?

Yeah, so, I mean, I gave a talk down in Florida actually about this, about a year ago and it was about epigenetics, right. So I do, I do DNA analysis and you know, I can tell you a lot about, you know, whether your vitamin D receptor works or your MTHFR mutation or whatever, a lot of things, and I can make it simple. So you understand it, but epigenetics, no, actually are I think kind of up and coming, they’re the future of research and, and personalized medicine. Right.

Can you explain epigenetics just in case people don’t know what that is. Yeah. And it’s, I mean,

Simply put simply it’s marks on your DNA, but even more simply I can give you an analogy. So if you think of like musical notes, right? So Mary had a little lamb or whatever that you, you know, that think of that as your DNA. Okay. It’s just SIM single notes on a staff and you can give that to somebody else and they can play. Mary had a little lamb, right. So, you know, that’s, you can transmit that to somebody else and they can play the same song, that’s DNA, but epigenetics are like marks on top of the DNA. So think of multiple notes, like a cord or something like that. And so, in other words, you can still pass on the same song to somebody else and they can still play that song. But now it’s a little bit more complex. It’s got a little bit more beauty you see, and you can still pass that on that’s. The important thing is scientists didn’t realize that you can actually alter those marks on your DNA and those can be passed to future generations. So, so long story short, I gave that talk, people are really interested and they said, yeah, you’ve got to write a book about this. So I started really working on it and here’s Esther generation.

I know. And it’s so true. And I wasn’t opened up to this until probably just the past, like, you know, five or six years, I think it started to become more and more popular. Now it’s talked about, you know, on podcasts like this and other podcasts. And I think it’s starting to become more thing and mainstream America, if you will. Um, and I think people are starting to be more aware, but I think, you know, there’s still a long ways to go to educate people. So let’s talk about some of these estrogenic compounds and the most common chemicals that are founded in, in America, in our society today that are probably, you know, maybe the top 10 worse.

Yup, yup. Yeah. Right. That’s what I kind of centered my book around is this top 10 list just to make it easier for people. And I think a lot of people know phytoestrogen right. Like soy there’s certain plants that, and by the way, soy and flax are essentially by far the main two that secrete phyto estrogens, their hormones of plants create, you know, for growth or whatever, but they act like estrogen in humans. So there’s, that’s the key, that’s one category phytoestrogen then you’ve actually got Miko estrogen. And you know, a lot of people hear about mold toxin and they don’t realize one of the mold toxins is Miko estrogen. That’s, astrogen that mold secretes. And it’s obviously not natural in your body when you eat moldy grains or moldy or whatever, you know, that can really disrupt your hormones. Right. So that’s, you know, that’s something and that’s the next one.

And then atrazine is one. So atrazine is number three on the list. That’s a herbicide that’s used in America. And by the way, it’s totally illegal in Europe. And a lot of other places because it’s estrogenic, it acts like estrogen in your body. So again, another one that, you know, people they don’t realize, but it’s in a lot of our grains in America, especially corn. So people want to buy organic corn because they don’t, you, you shouldn’t expose yourself to atrazine and there’s, there’s some politics there. And obviously it’s other things, but, but the point is right. We use it in America. I mean, it’s the second most used herbicide after glyphosate. I mean, we use, I think it’s 200 million pounds or something. I mean, it’s just hundreds of millions of pounds per year.

And so it ends up in the water supply. So you have to think, you know, if you live in farm country or if you have a river nearby that is bringing water in from, you know, who knows where from, from farm country or even a golf course, you know what I mean? So you can have using exposure just from the water supply. And actually that’s true of a lot of these, right? You get, you find birth control in the water supply. If you’re in a really population dense area, that’s another artificial estrogen. You find a lot of plastics in the water supply. So the point is you’ve got to filter your water, right? I mean, you know, I’m, I’m, I’m hoping you do. I’m hoping most of your listeners do. And, and, and the best way to do it is to use a charcoal filter, any kind of filter works as long as it has charcoal, because that grabs out the hormones.

So charcoal, charcoal, I used to use charcoal and experiments in the lab. I get my PhD is in cholesterol and fats and fatty acids. We did some hormones, but mostly fats lipids. Right. And I actually used cholesterol. I used activated charcoal to remove things like cholesterol or fatty acids from, from media, from liquid. And it works phenomenal. I mean, you know, at least as far as the hormone removal goes, activated charcoal, it gets them out. It gets the hormones out, artificial hormones, natural hormones, all that stuff. And you can take that in pill form. You can take activated charcoal pill. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I’ve seen some stuff from it’s out there that have that. What are some filters that use charcoal like Brita zero water. Okay. Yeah. Gotcha. I mean, I’m not like a super expert on the brands and you know, I certainly don’t have any endorsements or any financial tie shirt thing, but there’s a lot of really good ones.

Pira, I think P U R P U R a or something. Yeah. It’s a good one. I use a filter called Burke. Okay. And you know, it’s just a big stainless steel gravity unit, but anyways, you know, that’s a little off topic, but I mean, people want to know what to do. Right. I mean, you start seeing, you start seeing yeah. There’s atrazine in my water maybe. Right. Yeah. And, and the tests are real clear. I mean, there’s a lot more than people would like, and, and the, the city, you know, municipal water, they’re good about getting the viruses, the bacteria, they’re good at killing things. They’re good at using the chemicals and wiping that stuff out, but they’re not good at getting out the hormones and they know it. I mean, you know, sometimes you find a study that says, yeah, there’s the birth control is real low in the water supply or whatever. But then you realize that they’re testing out in the middle of nowhere in Iowa or something like that. Right. But if you go into the cities and there’s a lot of population density, it’s a different story with one.

And let me just burn down a couple more on this top 10 list. Sure. Yeah. So one of them that people, you know, people hear this chemical is bad, but they don’t know why. And that’s BPA bisphenol a so, you know, you see a lot of BPA free plastic or whatever, and that’s why it’s bad is because it’s estrogenic. It acts like estrogen in your body. So, you know, I wanna, I want to make sure that I get that one in there. Right.

Is a very popular one, you know, among plastic products, like for your baby, like baby bottles and things like that, people are all, I think most people are aware like, okay, BPA is bad for you, so we’ll stay away from that. Okay. So that’s getting into another one.

Yup. And, uh, fallates so people would go away from BPA, but then the problem is a lot of those BPA free plastics have a chemical called Fallot and it’s, it’s a brutal chemical. I mean, it’s, it’s horrible for your health, but it’s also spelled in such a way that it’s almost impossible to pronounce. Right. It’s P H T H a L a T E S. So I mean, you look at the word and you just don’t even want to, you know, you don’t even want to try and, you know, people don’t hear about that one because, you know, it’s just, it’s not as memorable as BPA, but it’s at least as bad for your health. And I mean, there’s, for example, there’s a study about a crib mattresses for babies and when plastics have fell, it’s even there, even if they’re BPA free, they’ve got fallates that the emissions from those thalates just into the air.

I mean, you gotta remember the baby’s face is right there next to that plastic. And they say that exceeds cancer benchmarks in their bloodstream, right. When they’re measuring the fallates in their blood. So, you know, at some of the stuff is, is concerning and scientists are picking up on it. And you know, a lot of it has to do with these plants. It’s the big ones I think people need to watch out for is plastics and, and fragrances. And parabins where the next one I was going to bring up. So pair parabins act like estrogen, your body, artificial estrogen, and a lot of people are exposed to that.

Okay. Yep. So what about fragrances? Are you talking? My fragrances in our products? Are you taking them out? Cologne, perfume, anything with the fragrance, uh, artificial

That’s right. And for some reason they put fallates in a lot of fragrance and they certainly put parabens and a lot of fragrance, and they’re not a lot of the companies aren’t mandated to put that on their label so they can put it in under the term fragrance. So, you know, sometimes you look at the label and it just says fragrance. And that can mean a lot of different things. Obviously they try and they want to keep that proprietary, right? The company doesn’t want to tell you everything, that’s in their secret fragrance ingredients, and that’s understandable, but you know, if you have a company that’s not ethically trustworthy and there’s a lot of them out there, or they just don’t know the science, they don’t realize that parabens are, you know, are bad for your, your body. Uh, they put ’em in there. And, and, and just to give you an example, um, and fallates to right validates and parabens, they both are found in fragrance.

So that a good example is, uh, they did a study with pregnant women, just measuring their blood, testing, their blood, uh, or their urine, sorry. They tested their urine for thalates. And they found that women that used perfume had 167% higher thalates in their urine. Wow. So it’s, you know, it’s going in their body. They’re, they’re urinating it out, but, but it’s the reason they tested pregnant women is because there’s a huge impact on the baby. You know, the fetus, because you’re altering these hormones that are again, they’re acting like estrogen. Oh, wow. Okay. That’s

I mean, that’s really scary stuff. If you think about it, you know, I don’t know how many people wear perfume or cologne. I think a lot of people do. I know I do, but it’s just not something you think about. It’s not labeled on there. Like, Hey, this is going alone, you know, has this in it. And so that’s, let’s take a step back a little bit and talk about why these estrogenic compounds are bad for your body. Why is estrogen

Bad for you? Yeah. Yeah. And, or too much of it now for sure. And that’s a difficult thing because hormones, you know, our body has real low levels of hormones, so you can be impacted by low levels of, of these chemicals. Right? Yeah. So the things they can do is they can cause weight gains that can cause infertility, they can cause depression. I mean, there’s a whole list of health problems, you know, and they, they lower your testosterone. So there’s a lot of major things that you see in our society going on right now. And a lot of those can be, they’re certainly linked to these artificial hormones, these estrogens. Hmm. Okay.

Yeah. I just want to get that across for people to understand why these, these estrogenic compounds, you know, are in our foods or, you know, products that we use are water supply, why that is bad for you and what the effects are. And we can kind of tie it into, uh, all these health problems that people are having. And like you said, there’s links to it, right? Not saying you can’t say, well, this, this is what you took and this is why it’s causing it. But at least you can kind of be more aware, more safe of, okay, maybe I should buy a filter. Maybe I should stop using perfume or cologne, or maybe I should stop buying plastics. Um, you know, and we’ll talk about these action steps for people as well. Um, we kind of mentioned some of them, but we’ll get into some more specifics here in a little bit.

Yeah, exactly. Well, and that’s why you need, that’s why you need a company that takes care of you. Right? They, they have paraben-free, they’ve got valet free products, at least if you’re putting it on your skin, right. Because your skin absorbs these estrogens that absorbs hormones. I mean, think about testosterone cream or, you know, these hormone creams that you get from your doctor. I mean, they work because that stuff goes through your skin. Some things don’t go through your skin, but that’s one of the issues with these. And by the way, I forgot to mention one of the estrogenic items. One of the estrogenic chemicals on my top 10 list are benzophenone and for MBC, for methyl Benzley and camphor again, big chemistry names, but you find them, you find them in sunscreen all the time. So people want to check the label on their sunscreen to afford benzophenone and for methyl Bensley and camphor, I’m telling you you’ll, you’ll probably find it. If you’ve got the cheapest sunscreen you could find at the store, it’s probably gotten at least one of those two items in it,

Which is so interesting to me because we keep being told, you know, the sun causes cancer, but then also we’re hearing that, you know, sunscreen causes cancer. So it’s like, damned if you do damned, if you don’t, it’s like, what’s, what’s the worst between the two. I know. But there are, I’m guessing there are safer, um, products out there for your skin. Right. For sure.

Yeah. I mean, again, paraben-free valid free. I like to tell people just, you know, at least for companies, I want to see the, the label estrogenic free because it’s everything right. That means there’s no, you know, artificial estrogen of any kind. Right? Yeah. I mean, that’s what I would like to see because it’s getting a little tedious to say, Oh, it’s, paraben-free, it’s satellite free. It’s alcohol phenol free it’s, you know, form alphabet, you know, there’s so many of these big chemical names and it just gets tiresome. You’d rather just see, okay. It’s all, it’s all good. At least in terms of the, the estrogens.

Yeah. No, I think that’s a great idea. Just lump them all into one category. Right.

Kind of one of my goals, just in getting this out there is I want, I want companies to be able to improve their products, just sort of the population for in general, because there’s some good products out there, you know, except they’ve got BPA or except they’ve got fat lights, right. Or except they’ve got whatever, whatever these estrogenic are. And part of the problem is, you know, they’re approved by the FDA. So people say, Oh, it’s probably, you know, it’s it’s okay. But boy, you start looking at the science. And we talked about epigenetics a little bit earlier. And the most, the really the reason I wrote the book the most, uh, you know, I don’t want to say frightening, but kind of the most sobering aspect is the inheritance of some of these health problems. So you can actually pass in fertility on to future generations.

So you see a decrease in fertility, at least in animals, right? You talk about cause and, and you know, association and all that. But in animal, obviously you don’t want to be testing humans with some of these chemicals and not to mention, you know, generation studying multiple generations is a long, long process, but in, in animals with fast generations like mice and fish and other things you decreases in fertility, you see obesity being passed on because of epigenetic changes, not DNA, but because, you know, because the marks on the DNA change and then cancer, you see it being passed on. So increased risk of cancer can be passed on from artificial estrogen exposure. And that’s something, right? That’s something you don’t hear. I mean, people aren’t talking about it yet because the science is real new and you know, it’s technical. So a lot of people aren’t able to read these papers or even access them yet, but it’s coming out and scientists are, you know, they’re concerned including me.

No, I can imagine. I think I’ve heard some other people talk about that as well. And I think it is one of those things that is becoming more, you know, not mainstream yet, but it’s getting the word out there just so that society and scientists are more aware of this. And then there will be hopefully more, you know, more studies done specifically about it and, uh, you know, more funds thrown into it to see what we can do to prevent these things. Cause okay, let’s say, okay, we’ve been growing up and you know, and America, the past two or three decades with, you know, not really being aware of these things were just like, Oh, you know, this is what we’re supposed to eat. This is what we’re supposed to buy without any idea. And now we’re starting to discover. It’s like, okay, well what can we do now? I mean, we have all these compounds in our blood and our system for decades now, you know, some people get cancer, some people don’t, what are some things that we can do to prevent it, right? Like, can you can diet, can exercise, can lifestyle prevent some of these things? And I’m not sure if your book talks about that, but what are some action steps for some people to try and prevent some of these things?

I actually, at the last chapter of my book, I have three different plans. You know, I have a gold plan, a silver plan, a bronze plan specifically to say, okay, if you want to be real extreme, like say you’ve got, you know, uh, high, high risk for cancer for breast cancer or, you know, you’re pregnant or whatever you want to be extremely cautious about avoiding artificial estrogen. You know, here’s the gold plan, right? So you really want to avoid grains, obviously plastics, putting your, storing your water and plastics and, and, you know, think about fats too. A lot of people, you know, they’re buying oils in, in plastic jars. And if the plastic has fallates in it, that leaches into the oil, even more readily than it would leach into water, because that’s just the chemical nature of these things. I mean, you know, oils are attracted to oils, right?

So if you pour oil in a glass of water, it obviously floats to the top. And if you’ve got, you know, a plastic jar and it’s got these hormones, these artificial estrogen chemicals in it, they’re, they’re more likely to release into a lipid and to something fatty like an oil than they are. And I mean, they get into both, right? You can get them, you find them in the water, drinking water, you find them in the, in the oil, but it’s something people should be aware of. Right. So again, we talked about, you know, you gotta really watch the sunscreen and zinc is a good alternative. If you find something with like 20% zinc and it doesn’t have, you know, these artificial estrogen, again, it’s benzophenone and for methyl, benzine camphor, um, you got to watch out for fragment fragrances. I think those are the really big ones, you know?

Yeah. And those are in a lot of products, right? Shampoos, conditioners, lotions. So what are some, what are some other household products? You mentioned sunscreen, um, some other, you know, big household products or, uh, you know, hygiene type products, toothpaste, uh, deodorant that are, yeah. That would be on the list.

Just think of anything you’re putting on your skin. Right. And then, I mean, obviously we just mentioned phytoestrogen right. Soy is an estrogenic. So, you know, you see vegetable oil, right. Which is ridiculous because vegetables don’t really produce oil. But aside from all of that, uh, most vegetable oil is cut with a whole bunch of soybean oil. And I mean, you find soy in a lot more food items than you then you’d like to see. And yeah, there’s some debate on, you know, how bad is it for your health? But I mean, it’s the same problem. You know, we just speaking about oil, right. I mean, they do these scientific studies and now that we’re recognizing that things like fallates and BPA are so bad for your health now, now you have to wonder, was it really the oil? Was it really the fat? Or was it the things, you know, it wasn’t the plastic bag. They were storing the fat in that’s causing some of these health problems that you’re picking up in some of these studies, because you know, now we’re finding fats, aren’t aren’t that certain types of fats are good for you. Right. Yeah. And the same thing is true with a lot of other things, it’s, it’s skewing some of the scientific data.

So go back to the oil. So basically you’re saying don’t buy, uh, any type of oil that’s in a plastic bottle.

That’s right. I mean, you know, sometimes I understand some people have to or whatever, but yeah, that’s definitely preferred. And, and, and one of the, you know, one of the best things to do is to look at the little symbol that recycling symbol and the number two, the number four and the number five are the best. I’m not going to say they’re always good. I mean, they still put fallates in some of those sometimes, but you can never quite tell. And by the way, fallates their conditioners. They’re like they make the plastic look nicer, they make it, you know, they change the properties a little bit, which is, which is ironic. Right. Because it makes people buy it more, but it’s even more worse for your health. Right. So people see a plastic bottle and they say, Oh, that looks nice. I’m going to buy that one versus this cloudy one. Right. But in reality, they’re actually buying the consumer it’s consumer driven, you know, against it. It’s against our health. It’s, it’s kind of sad, but it’s sad that it’s sad that these things are allowed. I think.

Yeah. Well, I, and that’s why you mentioned it kind of politics plays a role in some of this and big money, things like that. Right. So it was like, you can go down that road and, you know, come up with your own theories of why this and why that, and it’s a lot of it is out of our control, but you know, the more we expose it, the more people are aware of it. And we, the people, if we demand change companies, governments will change kind of like, you know, a good example of that. And it’s not like a huge thing, but there was a food blogger who wrote about the chemicals in subways bread and it became super popular and people started demanding it. And then what did subway do? They listen to? They’re like, all right, we’ll take that out. And then now we’ll take this out on that.

Yeah. And that, that chemical is called Zito carbimide. And just so people know that was illegal in Europe the whole time, all, all the, while this was going on in America, that stuff was already illegal in Europe. You see? Yeah. And so sometimes it’s, that’s an interesting, I actually did a lot of research into what, what the laws are in Europe. I even looked at Russia and China and some of these other, and you know, it’s really too bad that America allows that kind of stuff. When there’s pretty good research that shows, you know, and red food coloring is another one. That’s probably the last one on the list that I hadn’t brought up. It’s another one that acts like estrogen in your body. And if you use products like that, even in the UK, right? If you use red, red, 40 in the UK, you have to put a warning label on your product that says it might cause ADHD and some other things. And it’s because it acts like it’s an artificial estrogen. It, it alters your hormones, especially in children. And so how many companies are going to use it, right. If they have to put this big warning label on it, it looks like a cigarette pack, you know, whereas in America you find red food going, you can even find it in salmon, filets. It’s, it’s, it’s really,

You know, it’s crazy how we go to so many extremes to make, you know, plastic bottles look good or make the food look good. Uh, when reality is like, why are those chemicals inside of our food anyways? You know? But it’s, it’s marketing it’s, you know? Um, okay. So what are some products that have the red food dye in it that are pretty popular that you know of a lot of kids’ products?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think mostly you find it in liquids, right? Like juices and not too many foods, but every once in a while, I mean, I found it in a salad dressing. Sometimes it kills me when I see it, you know? And the worst part is I’ll actually buy stuff. I I’m really not a shopper. I mean, my wife does most of the shopping, but when I get out and do the shopping, I’m terrible. I just go pick stuff up and then I get home. And then I start looking at the labels and I almost have to put the trash barrel next to me, but I’ve actually found a soap, like bar soap that has red food. And again, when you’re rubbing it on your skin, you know, people think, well, but I’m washing it off. Right. I’m in the shower, it’s going right up. But, but remember fats oils, all that, they prefer your skin over the water. So they’re actually going to stay, they’re going to cling to your skin. So if you’re rubbing red, 40 all of your skin, you know, so, Oh my goodness. Don’t buy red 40 and your soap, right. Yeah. I mean, you don’t need your soap to look good.

So, so interesting.

Yeah. It’s it’s but you know, I mean, that’s, it’s just kind of an awareness thing. Right. I think, I think people are willing to, to avoid red 40 if they realize, Oh yeah. It’s, it’s acting like artificial estrogen, especially when you’ve got kids, your radar kind of goes up.

Yeah, exactly. So what are some tests that people can do to test their estrogen levels? Can they just go get a hormone profile and see what their estrogen levels are? And if their estrogen is high, then the most likely they’re, you know, they’re being exposed to some of these, these chemicals.

Yeah. I mean, right now, in terms of these artificial estrogens, you can’t just, there’s no, just simple tests. You can go in and test for BPA in your blood or whatever thalates in your blood. But one of the ways to do it is to test your testosterone because, because artificial estrogen, these chemicals we’re talking about, they lower your total testosterone. Okay. Which, you know, that’s, that’s something and then they lower your free testosterone. Right. Which is even worse, right. Because that’s the testosterone that actually acts in your body. That’s the stuff that you know, has impact on you. And then they also block the binding of testosterone to the receptor. So testosterone is a big one because you’re getting a threefold, you have kind of a threefold problem that artificial estrogens are acting on your Tessa. So if that, if those are, if your testosterone levels are low and by the way most Americans are, and the studies are real clear on that, like back in 1940, when scientists first started measuring testosterone.

And I think it was a, I want to say, I’m trying to remember 800 nanograms per deciliter. I think, I mean, it was, it was almost double what it is today, the average. Wow. And these are studies of thousands of people, right? It’s not just a couple of guys in a room. I mean, it was a pretty good sampling and people ask me all the time, you know, why, why are testosterone levels so low in our culture? And there’s obviously multiple aspects in terms of micronutrient efficiencies. And, you know, there’s, there’s exercise obviously plays a role, right? Like you can bring your testosterone just by doing some squatting or some deadlifting, you know, get your quads bigger. You know what I mean? Like some, just some good, healthy, uh, compound movements, but artificial estrogen, you know, that’ll bring your testosterone down in a bunch of different ways.

There was even a study on just milk, like people drinking, dairy and the researchers, they went to the grocery store. I mean, they don’t really tell you this in the, in the paper, but they say it’s standard, grocery store milk was tested, you know, and it was whole milk and it dropped men’s testosterone 15% within an hour after drinking it and interesting. Yeah. And they speculate. And of course I have all these citations in my book and anything I’m talking about is in there. Um, but they, they speculate it it’s because of the cow, estrogen is really high because nowadays, apparently they’re there, they’ve got these pregnant cows and they continue milking the cow right up until the cow has the baby, which is real unnatural. But they, you know, they’ve created essentially super cows that are able to continue producing milk. And obviously when the cow is pregnant, it has really high levels of cow estrogen. And so when you’re mixing that milk in with all the other industrial milk, you know, in these big tanks, um, there, and they’re measuring that, right. They can take your blood and say, Oh yeah, the, your, your estrogen suddenly spiked after drinking milk, but then they didn’t even fit in that study. They didn’t even factor in the fact that these, these milk products are stored in plastic. Right. So they’re probably whether it’s BPA or thalates, they’re probably, that’s contributing to the lowering the testosterone also.

Yeah. So that’s a good, tough man. I mean, so, so a test for you to age for testosterone is low. As most likely, that’s probably the best,

That’s the best way to do it. And okay. I mean, you can like say you can read estrogenic operation and you’ll start to see some of these things jump out at you. You don’t need a blood test if you’re spraying perfume that has fallates right. You’re probably going to be, you know, at least 150% higher with valet it’s in your blood. Right. Whether you get tested or not, and the tests are mostly in labs and that kind of thing, it’s not mainstream, but, but yeah, I mean, and a lot of people know their testosterone is low and they’re fighting to try and bring it up. Especially once you hit it at age 30 and women it’s even women, you know, even around age 28, 27, you know, they start to see their testosterone drop and it certainly doesn’t help when you’re being exposed to artificial estrogen.

Yeah. And so I was going to ask you about that weather. Are there certain things that you kind of compromise on that you’re like, okay, I know what’s in this, I know what it’s going to do, but like, for example, deodorant, like for me, I’m like, ah, do I just not wear it and just have sweaty armpits and, you know, for business events, it’s like, okay, what do I compromise on? And I want, I’m curious to know, like, what are some things you compromise on that you’re kind of like, okay, I could get away with this, or, yeah,

That’s a great question. I, I, uh, I want to talk about Yoda in a second, but cause, cause I don’t compromise too much on that, but um, I just did a YouTube video on, uh, swimming pools because apparently public swimming pools, they just did a study. I mean like literally weeks, a couple of weeks ago it just came out and it said the average public pool has between eight and 20 gallons of urine. Whoa. Yeah. And, and they, they, they, they were essentially measuring artificial sweetener because that doesn’t really break down. At least the particular one they were looking at, they were looking at ACE K if you know what that is. And uh, you know, and then so they can extrapolate, well, how much urine is in there, which was of course kind of shocking and whatever. I mean, you kinda know like that’s going on, right.

But you don’t think 20 gallons in the average swimming pool, but here’s the thing parabens, right. Are also found at high levels in public pools because people well urinate those out too. And they don’t break down and then also people have them on their skin, you know, and their hair products and all this. And you know, it’s concerning for scientists. They S they literally say that in these publications, but you know, if you’re going swimming once, you know, once a month or whatever, right. Like that’s, it’s no big deal, but if you’re going every day, that’s something you want to know about. Right. And so, so maybe you want to pay more attention for these things that you’re doing on a regular basis, like deodorant. Right. So I try and find fragrance free deodorant or deodorant that has on the label, like Parabon and valet free.

I mean, as long as you’re doing that, and you can find deodorant that actually works. That is natural, but it is hard to find I had to buy like 15 different ones. I’m not sure that was a big one for me, because a lot of people ask me, like, what do you use personally? Right. I’m sure you get that all the time. Right. Drew. And so I actually, you know, I do a lot more just kind of testing on my own biohacking, playing around with things and products. It’s the same thing. And I find that anything with, yeah, [inaudible] works pretty good. And I don’t use any, uh, so the, I try and find them without a fragrance. Right. Cause if it doesn’t have fragrance, you’re good. If it’s fragrance-free. And by the way, I list that on my website, on AIG consulting company.com/what I use, like all one word, what I use, that’s where I have my personal products.

And again, I have get no financial kickback from any of that. It’s just what I use. And you know, if you want to check it out as cool, but you know, I have all the stuff there, but what brand of deodorant did you use? A it’s called Schmitz Schmidt. It’s okay. Yeah. I use this stuff for sensitive skin because they put magnesium in it and that’s just works for me. It’s unbelievable. Some of them, a lot of them don’t work for me. And then I found another one it’s I think it’s called green tidings, but I also, I can’t remember for sure. And I do use that sometimes, but my wife likes that one better because it’s like a Brown color. So it doesn’t give you, like, if you know, summits is white, so you put it on and it looks white. Right. And for me, I don’t care.

Right. It’s like, I’m not walking around in a sleeveless dress. So yeah, for my wife, I mean, for, so it’s not like you have to go with Schmitz or whatever, but there’s some principles, there are some things that I kind of ideas that I follow and say, okay, I look for fragrance-free and some people, you know, they, they don’t realize how much the fragrance is covering up the smell. So they think, Oh, my deodorant works great. But in reality, it’s more than fragrance just covering up something. So even if they bought whatever brand they’re using, that was fragrance-free, they might say, Oh, this doesn’t work. But in reality, it was working the same as the stuff with fragrance, it just wasn’t being covered up by the smell, by the fragrance. You know what I mean? So there’s a little bit of a transition sometimes for people when they switched to fragrance-free and suddenly they think the deodorant doesn’t work and you know, some of them don’t. So there’s that dude.

Yeah. And that’s what I’ve heard from other people that have tried to go into the all natural route. It’s like, um, I think I just rather compromise and just stick with this and I’ll like, I’ll keep my deodorant, but I’ll just change my diet. I’ll change my everything else. But there’s a couple of things that pier was like, I just, you know, I need, this is one thing that I have to have. Right.

I understand. That’s. Yeah. That’s why I bought like 15 and they’re not trivial. They’re, they’re expensive. Some of them. And I bought a whole pile of them. Wow. And I did, I did like the double arm test where you put one under one arm and then one under the other arm. That’s interesting. They took real good notes and, you know, just like a scientist and just kind of went about my day and realized like, Oh, this, you know, this one’s not working.

Yeah. That’s interesting. Um, let’s talk about nutrition a little bit really quick. I know we’re kinda coming up on time here, but let’s talk about nutrition. You mentioned no grains or stay away from grains, uh, buy organic produce. Right. Cause you know, they’re not using herbicides and pesticides and things like that. What are some other things nutritionally that can help people?

Yeah. I mean, those are big. I mean, dairy is one. I think I like to do those, uh, elimination diets where you, you eliminate a lot of things and then you start adding them back to see if you’re sensitive. And I mean, that’s less to do with estrogen and just more to do with the fact that it works for a lot of people. And, but I mean, those are big sacrifices, right? I mean, people, if you, if you take grains out of your diet, you know, that’s a pretty significant thing for some people to do. And, but you know, the health benefits you get from that are big and, and dairy is the same way, you know? I mean, you can find dairy that’s in glass jars and all this kind of stuff, and that’s a lot better for you, but obviously some people are still sensitive to dairy.

So a lot of times you still need to do an elimination type diet and you probably have more and better information than I do on that. But you know, it’s not that complicated. Right. You know, especially if you start moving away from plastics, I think that’s the biggest thing, liquids, liquids in plastics. And you can, you can easily get stainless steel, water bottles. I mean, water is a big one because people are drinking it all the time. And you know, I mean, just imagine if your, if your testosterone is dropping 15% from drinking standard, whole milk from the grocery store, right. Within one hour, you know what I mean? Like, and then people are drinking that kind of, they’re either drinking milk every couple hours all day long, or they’re drinking water from plastic bottles, you know, that’s a, that’s a issue.

Yeah, no, it’s interesting. Cause I think about all these like plastic shaker bottles that I have and that I use, I mean, this is all good information. That’s not just for people listening, but for, for even me, I’m like, okay, there’s definitely some things I can cut back on now that I’m more aware of it. You know, just like the plastic shaker bottles for certain, for certain drinks, you know, on the go take it with me. I’m like, okay, I need to do a better job of this. But at the same time, I kind of want people to, you know, be more aware of this, but you know, you don’t have to go to the extreme and go live in a cave and you know, totally unplug from, you know, disconnect from the rest of the world. But finding that balance, like you said, you know, being aware and just, you know, being more careful about it and it’s the same thing with diet. It’s not like, Hey, you can’t ever have soda or drink or eat sugar or have that cake that you really like. It’s about finding that balance. And for the most part yeah. Avoiding it because having every day is not good for you.

That’s right. And I think, especially, I think that’s totally true. And especially if you’ve got some serious health problem or you’re really trying to lose weight or whatever, then you want to be a little bit more extreme, right? You want to be more careful, more avoidance, you know, because again, artificial estrogen causes your body to, to put on fat. And, and, and I just was talking to somebody about another study. It, they did a study on rats and I know we’re going over time and I’ll try and be really brilliant, but they did a study on rats and they, uh, they, they said exactly the same amount of calories, exactly the same amount of exercise for these rats. But they gave them a low levels of atrazine, herbicide, estrogenic, herbicide in their water and the ones with this, like I said, the same everything, but the ones with the herbicide exposure.

And again, it was low levels, which a lot of people are drinking in their water. If they’re not filtering it, uh, they, they put on a significantly more weight. I mean, you look at the pictures and you can see it and then the graphs and everything else. I mean, and, and that kind of goes to that point of, you know, sometimes it’s not just about calorie counting, you do want to get those chemicals out, especially if, you know, you’re more vulnerable to weight gain or you’re, or you’re, or you have some of these health problems, right?

Yeah. You have to send me that study. I think that’s really interesting because you know, there’s still talk about a calories calorie, but at the end of the day, there’s so much more to it than that. You know, especially if your hormones there’s, I think there’s like 23 or 27 hormones that directly affect your weight, your weight loss. And if those hormones aren’t in balance, you could be starving yourself pretty much, and still not be losing the amount of weight that you want to because your hormones are affected by our environment, our lifestyle chemicals that we’re exposed to. And so I think that’s really, really important for people to hear and to listen to is it’s not just about calories in versus calories out. And I think people are starting to become more aware of that if they’ve listened to my podcast, but there’s still people don’t understand that that’s right.

Thanks. Yeah. Testosterone is connected to that too, you know? Yeah, exactly. Um, okay. Before we go, dr. Jay, why don’t you let people know where they can find you the name of the book one more time and all your social media, if people want to reach out to you. Yeah. Thanks. Uh, so my consulting company is probably the best place to find me. It’s a J consulting company.com and my book is Astro generation. How estrogenic are making you fat sick and in fertile. That’s awesome, man. Okay. So you don’t have a Twitter or Instagram? I do. So my Twitter is a J a J CCO underscore comm. They won’t let me use.ajcc.com. So I have to do that. Yup. Yeah. And I, and that’s probably another good place to find me. Okay, cool. We’ll put that on in the show notes where people can get ahold of you and, uh, I, I’m definitely gonna check out your book as well. Um, just to become more educated on, on some of this stuff, but, uh, yeah. I appreciate you coming on dr. Jay, and for all that you do, uh, keep up the good work, man. Thanks, Andy. I appreciate it. You too. Thanks.


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