What’s up everyone. It’s me drew Manning your hosts from the fit to fit experience podcast. If you can’t tell my voice is jacked up. Um, I it’s been lost for about a week. If you follow me on social media, you’ve been seeing me post about it, but basically I lost my voice last weekend and it started to get better. And then I spoke some more and it just hasn’t completely come back. So this is what I sound like now, but, but I have gotten a lot of compliments saying that my voice actually sounds sexier this way. So we’ll see. Maybe I will, maybe I’ll try and keep it for awhile to see how that goes for me. But anyway guys, you guys, we have a great episode with dr. Trevor Cates. She’s a friend of mine. I was able to meet her through a mutual friend.

She lives up in park city, Utah, and we’ve got to know each other really well. And the reason I wanted to have her on was because I haven’t had on, um, someone that has talked about the skin, right? Our body’s biggest organ. And so we, we talk about, um, how your skin is a mirror of, of your health. And we’ll get into all of that. She has a book called clean skin from within. So what’s really cool is we dive into how diet and nutrition affect our skin on the outside. We think, you know, if we have bad skin, we put stuff on it to help it heal when reality, a lot of it comes from what we put on the insides of our body. And so that’s one thing too, that we dive into today and we talk about her book, clean skin from within and the five different skin types that are out there and what you can do to give you the optimal skin, um, from foods to avoid and then foods to add in, and then, uh, uh, you know, products to avoid as well.

And, um, and other and other products to add in that maybe you didn’t know about. And so that’s why it’s so important. You guys, um, to really look into the skin as a mirror of our health. And so you’ll understand what that means after, after this episode, but basically dr. Trevor Cates, she’s a nationally recognized naturopathic doctor. She’s also known as the spa doctor online, and she was the first woman licensed as a naturopathic doctor in the state of California. You guys, she was also appointed by foe by the former governator Arnold Schwarzenegger to California’s Bureau of naturopathic medicine advisory council. I have no idea what that is or what that means, but I’m sure it was really, really important. And it’s definitely very respectable. Uh, she’s worked with world renowned spas and sees patients in her private practice in park city, Utah, with a focus on graceful aging and glowing skin.

Um, she’s been featured on TV shows like the doctors extra first for women, mind, body green. And she’s the host of her own podcast called the spa doctor podcast. And we go in, like I said, we go into what to avoid and what foods to add in. So stick around for that. You guys, but first a shout out to our show sponsors. This episode is brought to you by D and bars. These meat bars are available on Amazon prime. You can go check them out. D N D as in Delta, and as a Nancy X is an X factor. Um, these are the highest quality meats combined with some healthy fats and seasonings that are available for on the go consumption, right? So here’s what I love about them. You guys, they use a hundred percent grass fed beef, a hundred percent grass fed bison meat, and they’re in their bars.

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Great, great. It’s great to be here.

Yeah. I’m, I’m glad that we finally were able to have you on, I had a good time on your podcast by the way. So that was fun. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully your, uh, followers liked it. Uh, but I’m excited to have you on, because I’ve never had anybody come on to talk about the skin. We talk about health and fitness and mindset and, you know, supplements and nutrition, but we never really get into the skin, which is our body’s biggest organ. Correct? Yes. And it’s very important, right? Because especially here in America, we’re so focused on our outward appearance and uh, you know, I don’t know how many billion dollar this industry is, but it’s a pretty large industry, right? Skincare.

Yeah. It’s a massive industry. And yeah. You know, the thing is, is a lot of times people think of it is a very superficial thing, but our skin being our largest organ and being right on the surface of our bodies, it actually, I call it our magic mirror because it gives us great clues about our overall health. So when we look at, instead of looking at skin as something that needs to be covered up or suppressed, we want, we want to look at why our skin may not be glowing and clear and, uh, and, and useful looking because that could be a sign that something else is going on inside the body. That’s out of balance that just needs a little support or a balance so that we can have better skin as well as better overall health.

Yeah, no, I actually liked that concept. How you call it the magic mirror, because it is a reflection of what’s going on with inside our body. Now I like your approach because you kind of get into how to do this from within, right. Instead of just using this kind of lotion or face wash, there’s a lot more to it than just that. And we’ll get into that in a second, but let’s back up a little bit, introduce you a little bit to my audience. Um, you tell us where you grew up. Did you grow up in California or Utah?

I actually, I grew up in Virginia.

Oh, you did? Okay, man. Why was way off? Okay. And then what were your passions growing up?

So when, when I was growing up, I grew up in Virginia and I, yes, I live in Utah now and I lived in California before I moved to Utah. So you weren’t that far off. But when I was at, when I was growing up in Virginia, I, um, I had, I was an unhealthy kid and I had a lot of allergies, health problems, including skin problems. And I had eczema hives like HD rashes and things. And my parents took me to see a lot of different, different types of conventional doctors and specialists who gave me a lot of different medications. Unfortunately they didn’t help. In fact, I started developing allergic reactions to a lot of these and I had side effects of a lot of the medications. Nothing was really helping me. I just kept feeling worse. And, um, and so, and this was really awesome.

My self esteem really impacted me when I, the way I showed up at school and I was picked on and it was, it was a tough time, but luckily my parents didn’t give up. They kept searching for answers. And that’s what led them to a holistic practitioner, which is the one thing that turned my health around. So from a really early age, I became really interested in this idea of are, you know, are looking at it at health in a more holistic way. And that I realized that my skin was just a part of what was going on with the rest of my body. Because when I, when my skin cleared up, I felt better. Of course, eventually my self esteem came back too, but it, we didn’t know it was all part of the picture. So from an early age, I became very interested in this and that’s what led me to eventually go to nature.

Pathic medical school become a nature pathic physician. And, and then I started working in certain world renowned spas, which is where I became known as the spot doctor, because I was helping people a lot. And I was a doctor in the spas and I was helping people. Actually it started off, I was running two week weight loss programs. And one of the things that people would mention to me, well, one of, one of the things they would mentioned was that their skin would clear up and looked healthier and more youthful looking. And so that kind of spread around. And so then people started asking me a lot about skin questions. So that’s kinda how I came to be this a lot of the focus on skin, not necessarily because I, I just put things on the skin or I just have a skincare line, which I do, but it’s also about what you do from the inside out. And that’s what led me to write my book clean skin from within.

Yeah. And that’s actually really interesting because I hear that a lot from all different types of diets. Um, you know, I, I’m friends with a lot of people in the industry and, and uh, one of the side effects that people notice is their skin clears up. Right. I know that sometimes we think all they want to do is lose weight, but in reality, we also want good looking skin too, and change your diet can affect that. And so we’ll get into all of that. And, um, and we’ll dive into your book too, clean skin from within, cause I think right there it’s, um, something that’s overlooked in industry, but also so important. Um, if you want to see real results, right? Like I said before, you can’t just mask it with some of, you know, face wash or, or lotion, although that can help. But how about let’s start doing this from within, instead of, you know, giving ourselves all types of prescription pills. I remember a friends, you know, as teenagers who would have acne and they given these drugs and their skin would be so dry and their face would just be peeling and then they’re left with scars, right? I mean, that’s kind of a side effect of some of these prescription pills that even kids, right. Like teenagers are taking nowadays.

And, and it actually, the side effects can go on beyond much that, I mean, there can be problems with depression and with, uh, you know, suicidal tendencies from, from some of the medications. I mean it, no, it’s not, it’s not that we should always avoid prescription medications, but I feel like they’re overused over prescribed. And that there’s some, and start with by addressing lifestyle, diet fitness, you know, stress management. Those are the kinds of things that if we start there so much of our skin issues will clear up and we can prevent a lot of things too. And then if we, you know, if we absolutely need medications to kind of reset things, then they’re available to us. But I find that most people don’t even need them.

Yeah. So what are some examples of signs or things we could look for on our skin that are kind of like a warning sign that something’s wrong other than of course, maybe acne, but I don’t know, like what are the warning signs people should look for on their skin to tell them that something is wrong?

Yeah, absolutely. And, and it’s, our skin is our largest organ right on the surface. And it gives us great clues. So instead of thinking of it, something that we need to cover up or suppress, let’s look at it as a tool and you don’t need special imaging equipment to see this organ. All you need to do is look in the mirror, right. Or look down at your skin. And I think it’s great to every, every morning when you’re, maybe when you’re brushing your teeth, you’re getting ready to just take a look in the mirror. And this is not to be hard on yourself. You don’t want to look at yourself and, you know, start, you know, getting upset with yourself, but it’s looking at your skin as a tool. What is it showing you? Because it’s can give you great information about your lifestyle and what you’re doing that may be good or what you may be doing.

That’s not so good. And so looking for things like, is your skin dry or excessively oily, or is it dull looking, are you breaking out more? And where are you breaking out? Because if you’re breaking out along your jaw line, that means something different than around your hairline or around your nose or your mouth. So those are the kinds of things that we look for are what, what is basically it’s changes in your skin? Um, sometimes those changes are actually an improvement. So maybe your skin is like really healthy and glowing. One day it looks really clear, then you, okay, what have I done differently in my lifestyle? Am I, um, am I eating differently? Am I exercising more or less? Or am I, um, am I using different skincare products? Am I, you know, is my level more balanced than usual? The, maybe that’s helping you with your skin.

So it’s really any changes that occur in your skin one way or can give you information. And especially if you notice a repeat of pattern, so say your skin was dry and then it got better. And then it got dry again. And I’m like, okay, well, what have I done twice now that has led me to develop dry skin? What am I doing? Um, and then there are also things like, you know, science, like, um, sometimes people will get these little bumps on the backs of their arms or between your elbow and your shoulder on the back of your arm. There’s little bumps. And so most people think that it’s just dry skin, but actually if you have these little bumps, they look like tiny little pimples. Sometimes it’s a condition called keratosis pilaris. And this is just an example of what, one of the things that really causes that and triggers that is actually nutritional inefficiencies. Um, so if you’re low in essential fatty acids or zinc, then that could actually cause those little bumps. So it’s just then can be a matter of getting more of those nutrients in your diet or taking a supplement. And you’ll probably those little bumps will disappear. So instead of trying to do some sort of crazy exfoliation or go see your dermatologist and get some sort of cream to put on it, it can be as simple as addressing the root cause of what’s triggering it.

It’s so interesting because I feel like there’s so many applications that are overlooked for diet, and this goes for all different types of industry. Um, you know, um, not to get too specific, but I was just at a conference where, you know, these doctors were talking about the ketogenic diet and all the applications, other than weight loss that are available with things like, you know, uh, cancer and Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s and, uh, diabetes and, um, you know, epilepsy and things like that. When in reality, we, I feel like we’re, so our, um, our society, we are so quick to prescribe, you know, pills or go off of the conventional, um, science that’s available out there instead of looking at, Hey, why don’t we just look at changing your diet? I know there’s not money in that. Right? You can’t package up a diet and sell it for billions and billions of dollars.

But I mean, it seems like even what you’re talking about, there’s so many applications. If you just change your diet, you could fix so many problems that are out there, that’s in this billion dollar prescription pill of business. Um, so I think it was really cool that you’re talking about this and I’m super excited about it. I’m sure a lot of people out there are as well, because, but at the same time, I think people will go for the quick, easy. Okay, well just tell me what pill to take or what lotion do I use or what soap do I use or, you know, but I like that you and your book, can I dive into this? Um, let’s actually dive into your book a little bit if that’s okay. And, um, talk about the different types of skin types. Uh, there’s five different skin types, and I actually didn’t know any of this. So can you educate us on those five different skin types?

Yeah. I actually redefined skin types because I was tired of hearing the same dry, oily, sensitive, mature, you know, those typical skin types. So what I did is I read them and I actually gave each of these skin types, a human name rather than a, you know, a disease or a condition. Um, instead of give them human names because I see my patients as people, right. They’re people and they’re not just symptom expression, they’re actually people. So I gave them all human names. So there’s Amber Sage, Olivia Heath, Emmett, and, and the way I created these as I was seeing certain patterns in my patients and what a lot of that had to do with root causes behind what was really going on with their skin. So I find that there is six root causes, underlying causes that cause skin problems. So each of my five skin types has a unique combination of those underlying causes, so that when, when you’re trying to address your skin issues and you’re dressing your health, you can, then when you find out your skin type, you can address the root causes.

And, and so when you address the root causes of, of a health concern then, or a skin issue, then what you’re doing is you’re helping support the body overall. So your skin is going to clear up, it’s going to look better. And also you’re going to feel better on the inside because it’s going to be addressing these root causes like hormonal imbalances, nutritional deficiencies, get issues. Those are the kinds of root issues that are going on behind the skin. And so if we just help address those using supportive things that, you know, natural, uh, supportive things with diet, lifestyle, supplements, those kinds of things, then, then it’s going to help your body overall address diagnose root causes. If you’re going to have more energy, you’re going to feel better. Um, you’re, you know, you’re going to have better health and longevity.

I think it’s, uh, it’s really interesting. Um, but at the same time, so basically what you’re saying, hold on, say I lost my train of thought, but I wanted to go back to these five different skin types. You’re you’re saying that people can go in, uh, read about what skin type they are and kind of self die or not self-diagnosed, but diagnose which skin type they are. And then I’m assuming you have these plans of actions of things to do if you’re this skin type. Right. So there’s some kind of quiz or something.

Yeah. Yeah. So I have an unlined skin quiz. Um, so people just go to the skin quiz.com, these inquiries.com and, and it, it’s a free online quiz. It’s 10 questions, super quick and easy. And you find out which of the five different skin types you are. And then I give you recommendations based upon your skin type. So I’ll give you some suggestions with your diet, with your lifestyle, with different changes to make. And, and if you end up getting my book clean skin from within, in chapter six of my book, I talk about how to modify my two week program based upon your skin type to really address those root causes. Okay. So let’s talk, um,

Let’s talk about nutrition a little bit. What are the types of foods, um, that cause you know, the most skin problems I’m assuming dairy is one of them, just a guess.

Yeah. Jerry dairy’s definitely is. One of them dairy is, um, you know, it’s more of a pro-inflammatory food. Um, it is tends to be a big trigger food for skin problems. Um, one of the issues with it is that dairy comes from a lactating mammal. And so because of that, it’s going to the nature of that is that it’s going to have hormones in it. So hormones are one of the hormonal imbalances or one of the big root causes behind skin issues. So when you’re consuming dairy products and you’re getting the hormones from those that can further exacerbate those problems. And then also just like I said, you know, it’s a, it’s more of a pro-inflammatory food. It tends to be a more common food allergen. And now it’s not necessarily a problem for everyone, but that’s why with my program, what I’ll do is I’ll recommend that they eliminate dairy during the two week program just to see how they do without it.

And then I taught people how to reintroduce it back in to determine if it’s really a problem food for you. So it’s not necessarily a problem for everyone, but I do find that it is one of the big trigger foods if someone has skin issue. But the number one food that I think is connected to skin issues is sugar and sugar is really, really a problem for all of us because of the, the, uh, the biochemical and the, you know, the physiologic pathways that it causes in the body. So for example, when we eat a lot of sugar or foods that turn to sugar, so the honey or maple syrup or a Gavi. So, you know, any of those in that category or high carb diet, that’s going to cause your blood sugar to increase. And when your blood sugar rises, it’s going to trigger an increased insulin production.

Insulin is a hormone that we need that that’s normal, but what that, what that happens when that happens, you also get excess sebum production, which is the oils and the skin as well as excess androgen activity. And that combination is what triggers one of the big things that triggers acne breakouts. So if you’ve ever wonder why, when you eat a little too much sugar, then you break out in some acne. Well, that’s why there’s actually a physiologic reason behind that. And the research actually supports and shows this. So that’s one of the main reasons we want to be careful with sugar, but then there’s also other reasons. Another reason is that when we eat a lot of sugar, it causes glycation issues in the body. And what that means is that glucose will actually bind to proteins in the body. And then, so when it comes to skin, that means the collagen on our skin collagen is what helps give our skin that texture and keeps us youthful looking. But when we have glucose binding to it, it makes the college and rigid and less elastic. So that means more wrinkles and sagging skin. It’s going to age us faster. So that’s why, you know, it’s good to be very careful with sugar. I’m sure you talk about sugar and, and, and the, the downsides of it, but when it comes to skin, that’s the reason that’s not good for our skin.

No, that’s a great point because so many times I preach to so many people that it’s not so much about. Physical looks over weight loss is what most people think when they eat a bowl of SAMHSA’s crunch or have a soda, they think, Oh, this is a good either going to make me gain weight or lose weight, or, you know what I’m saying? And so we look at it from the wrong perspective, instead of looking at it from all different types of applications, uh, that when we consume that sugary food, it does so many other things other than just make us gain weight or lose weight. There’s so much more that’s going on to it. And now here, we have you talking about how it affects your skin and, uh, glycation, like you mentioned, uh, makes you age faster, right?

Yeah, absolutely. I think a lot of times people think, okay, well I had some sugar, I’ll just work out harder. Yeah. But that’s not, that’s not gonna, you know, really get rid of that glycation issue. I mean, it could help a little bit, but still, you know, you want to be careful with sugar and particularly, you know, what you want to do is you want to eat balanced meals and keeping your blood sugar on a level where it’s not hot. It doesn’t have these spikes in it.

Okay. So we talked about dairy that’s about sugar, any other foods?

Yeah. Well, there are a number of other foods. In fact, I talk about 10 different foods to give up during my two week program. I talk about those in my book, but I don’t want people to just focus on what to avoid, because if we spend too much time talking about this, then people just kind of screw heads because there’s nothing left to eat. Right. Right. So the good news is there are actually some great foods for our skin to eat. Um, one of, one of my favorite foods for skin to eat is our avocados. And actually avocados can be used topically as a face mask to their ground, top of the skin. But internally because of the high amounts of mono and saturated fats in them, they’re great for our skin. Our skin needs healthy fats, those good oils, good fats. So whether it’s eating avocados or using avocado oil, those are great to include in your diet to help improve your skin.

They also they’re high in antioxidants and antioxidants are also important for our skin because our skin is exposed to sun on a regular basis and also pollution, air pollution, different toxins in our environment and our personal care products. So that causes oxidative damage in our body. And that shows up on our skin as you know, free radical damages causes us to age faster and are more susceptible to things like skin cancer. So we want to make sure that we’re getting things in our diet that include lots of antioxidants. So avocados, um, another, um, another great food for skin is wild salmon, wild Alaskan salmon in particular, I like, and salmon also has beneficial oils. It has written Omega three fatty acids that help in and inflammation is one of the big trigger under underlying root causes for skin issues. So anything that you could eat that decreases inflammation that’s anti-inflammatory is going to be great for the skin.

And so those a mega threes and salmon are fantastic. And then also salmon has other nutrients that are, are beneficial for the skin, including Asda, Zam, thin as does xanthan is a potent antioxidant that helps protect the skin from the inside out. And I am saying wild salmon because farm salmon, which is where, what most, a lot of the salmon, when you go out to eat or you go to grocery stores, a lot of times it’s farm salmon. And unfortunately it’s not going to have the same benefits. It’s not going to have the same level of AST as Anthon’s and, and, uh, Omega threes as the wild salmon does. Plus the farmer. Salmon’s gonna be, unfortunately have some, probably some environmental pollutants like PCBs and things like that.

What about taking a fish oil from wild Alaskan salmon? Does that give you similar benefits? Yeah.

Yeah. I think taking a supplement is great. Some people don’t like to eat fish. And so I think taking an Omega three, I, my favorite is to take, um, I actually make an Astra xanthan, Omega krill supplement because it’s, you know, you get the potent amounts, the high amounts of Astra xanthan you need for, for, um, helping with the, the antioxidant benefits for the skin. Plus you get the omegas from krill. And, um, so if the supplements can be a great way.

Yeah. We had a doctor come on recently talking about, um, this, uh, Hawaiian asked is Anthony company called bio Aston. And I remember when I lived in Hawaii, I took it every day and it was so weird how I wouldn’t get sunburned, you know, and I lived in Hawaii and I was at the beach not to say I didn’t put sunblock on, but some days, like I would forget. And usually where I would get sunburned being out in long sun exposure. It was so weird how I just, I was never, I never got sunburned taking it. And so, um, I thought that was really interesting too, but I, I definitely supplement with that every day is a recommended amount of, uh, fish oil or krill oil to take. That’s a good amount, like 2000 milligrams or more,

Um, yeah. T 2000 milligrams could be good. I, you know, it really depends upon your weight, um, age, different factors, how much you’re getting in your diet already. Um, but you know, that’s a good place to start.

Okay, cool. Um, so I like kinda how we kind of balance it out, taking out the foods that cause issues with the skin, but also supplementing or not supplementing, but putting in foods that are good for your skin. Uh, and you mentioned healthy fats. Okay. So let’s talk about what is, uh, your overall protocol with nutrition other than these specific foods, you know, um, do you get into details of,

Uh, you know, what, like specifics of what to eat, right. So you said avocado and salmon and then no dairy, no sugar. Is there, are there any other specifics?

Yeah, absolutely. And, and so there are 10 foods that I have people take out during the two week program. And, and there are other foods that I have them add and if they’re not already have them or increase them so that they’re getting skin nourishing foods instead. And, and, and certainly too, we want to make sure that, I mean, I give people a very detailed exactly how much of each different food category they should be getting, um, and how to do that. And I also include recipes in my book because I know for some people they’re like, Oh my gosh, I have to give up dairy, gluten, and sugar. Like, what am I going to eat? And so I wanted to make sure I included really delicious recipes. So, and I even got a little help from a friend of mine. Who’s a chef in Jackson hole, Wyoming, and he he’s a chef or, you know, some superstars and politicians and different high profile people.

He cooks the delicious meal. So what I would do is I put together my recipes, I’d send them over to him and he would tweak him and tell him, Oh, you need to add a little bit of this and a little bit of that. And like, Oh my gosh. So there’s such fantastic, delicious recipes included that. Um, I just know people are gonna laugh. In fact, I made, I made some of the recipes on, I was on good DLA, uh, recently, and, and I made some of the recipes and that the hosts were just going to town, all the food. So I was trying to explain each one, they were still eating my last one. So I was fine.

Yeah, no, that’s funny. Um, people definitely love, uh, recipes that tastes good, right. Because no matter how healthy something is, is if it doesn’t taste good people, aren’t going to take it. You know,

I love to eat really do I, I would not want to deprive myself. So I don’t expect my patients to either. I want you to be able to still enjoy food, enjoy eating, have that family meal time and all the, all the great things that come with that.

Okay. Well, it’s good to know that you’re normal. Like the rest of you, like you like to eat food. Okay. So it was addressed diet, you know, clean skin from within, but let’s talk about topical uses, like what are some, you know, products or things that we should avoid and what are some good things that we should use? Obviously you have your own skincare line, but let’s talk about the things to avoid first.

Yeah. You know, it’s, it’s really kind of sad how, um, the lack of regulations in the United States and the lack of protection that we have when it comes to personal care products. I think a lot of people aren’t aware of it. And on average, we use nine personal care products a day, which exposes us to 126 unique ingredients. And if you’re a woman, you know, listening, you’re like, okay, yeah, I probably use more than nine products, but if you’re a man, you might be thinking, Oh, I don’t use that many personal care products. But if you think about it, it really does start to add up the shampoos and hair gel, deodorants, shaving creams, lotions, sunscreens, all those kinds of things. You use those on a daily basis and you, so you’re exposed to on average, 126 unique ingredients. Well, here’s the problem. And the United States, the United States, FDA is only banned 11 ingredients. Whereas in places like Europe, they’ve banned over a thousand ingredients. So that means that it’s really up to the consumer, that’s us to figure out what to use and what safe it. You can’t just think that it’s going to be safe just because it’s on the market or because the FDA hasn’t pulled it because it’s not being well-regulated.

Yeah. We get this in the food industry too. Right. Uh, you know, saying things like, Oh, all natural or, um, you know, even like a low fat or fat free, or, you know what I’m saying? Like, there’s, there’s a lot of issues with the regulation when, even in the food industry. So I get it. It’s the same thing for the skin industry, but it just seems overwhelming for most people. Right? Like, it’s just, I don’t know what to buy, just, okay. This one looks good. Cause I saw a commercial with this girl and she had perfect skin. So I’m guessing this is which one to use. What are some ingredients that most of us should avoid that are, um, you know, I know like for example, no pair bins looking for things like that, but maybe educated is a little bit on, um, which ones to avoid.

Yeah. Because you know, just like you’re looking at your food labels have plea or supplemental animals. I think it’s important for us to start looking at personal care products because it’s even less regulated than the food industry. So you mentioned Parabon, so I’ll start there. Um, parabens are, are known estrogen mimickers. So they, they act like they have estrogen mimicking effects in the body when we’re exposed to them. So on the label, even so-called now some of them so-called natural products sometimes will contain parabens. So what you want to look for on the label are things that end with the word pair of it. So I’ll say methyl parabens, [inaudible] you get the idea? It says pyramid at the end of the word. So they have astrogen mimicking effects. And one of the scary studies out there that really, you know, catches people’s attention is that parabens have actually been detected in breast tumor tissue.

So not only are parabens in our products, we know we’re absorbing them through the skin cause this is our primary exposure to parabins is through personal care products. So we’re absorbing them. They’re getting into the bodies. They’ve been found in various, um, human tissues throughout the body, including breast tumor tissue. So that means that the body’s taking them up into breast tumors. That’s not a good sign. We want to probably avoid parabens another ingredient. That’s in a lot of products and even some of the so called natural ones is fragrance. Now I know we want to smell good, but unfortunately fragrance, when that’s put on the label, it is an opportunity for manufacturers to hide a lot of ingredients. And one of those is exam. An example of one of those ingredients is Diane [inaudible]. Diane Valley is the type of valid or plasticizing agent that’s used in fragrance to help it last longer.

The smell lasts longer. But the concern is, is that this is another one of those hormone disrupting chemicals. And so we, you know, people are getting absorbed, they’re showing up in urine samples. And so we definitely want to be careful with these things. The good news is because again, I don’t want to just be all bad news here. Um, the good news is that there are alternatives to synthetic fragrance. You can find things with essential oils. Like that’s what we use in my skincare line, the spot actors, daily essentials. We didn’t want to just have a fragrance free line. We wanted to be able to enjoy the, you know, the smell and the experience of putting on the products. So you can, you can find products with essential oils and, you know, if you’re with your, whatever you like, you can find that in essential oil.

So if you’re a man and you want more of that Cedar wood smell, that’s more of a, more of a masculine smell. You can certainly find that, um, or, or even buy the essential oils yourself and get unscented products and add essential oils to it. But I think it’s, it’s, you know, those are two examples of places. Even if you just start with those, it’s a great place to start because if you’re eliminating those from your products, you’re probably, if you’re picking companies that take those out, you’re probably going, they’re going to be eliminating some of the other harmful chemicals that are in product.

So what about people, for example, because I think a lot of people might be asking themselves, well, I’ve just been using this brand forever and it works and I’ve tried maybe these other ones for a week or two, and then I break out or they have skin, they have reactions to these other products, which may be expensive. And they’re like, well, you know, you can’t get your money back or they can’t take it back. So that might as well stick with the ones that I’ve used for years that seem to work because my body or my skin may be as adjusted to those. Um, is there a transition transitionary period of, Hey, give it a couple of weeks. Your body takes time to adjust to these healthy ingredients first?

Well, I, you know, honestly I, you know, there are, so let’s actually brings up a lot of questions and a lot of concerns. And it’s actually one of the reasons why I created my own skincare line because when I was working in spas, my patients would ask me, so what products should I use? What do you recommend for my skin? And I would say, Oh, I just, you know, choose a natural nontoxic brand. And then they come back and they say, yeah, but I’m not getting the results that I want. And so I went and asked some of my aesthetician and dermatologists, and unfortunately what they told me was you’re going to have to choose between natural or effective that you can’t have both that I thought, well, that’s crazy because I know the healing powers of nature being a nature pathic physician. So I started, that’s why I started digging into the research and found out what separated the, the, a lot of the natural brands from being affected.

And so part of it is, um, that not only you want it to be clean and nontoxic and free of some of these ingredients that I mentioned, but you also want it to contain natural actives. So you want it to, so when you take a supplement, you want the best quality, cute cocuten, for example, or, you know, the highest quality ingredients and those, but it’s the same with, with personal care products you are gonna want, if you’re using cocuten for example, as an ingredient, skin care products, you want it to be the best form and the most absorbable form and the most active form. And so that’s one of the things is I don’t think a lot of the natural skincare manufacturers they’ll, they’ll get by with using the natural ingredients, but they’re not going to be in the forms that actually the research shows help support the skin.

And then the last thing is, is that skincare products need to be in a particular pH range. And a lot of skincare products actually have a too high of a pH to be beneficial for the skin. Our skin is naturally mildly acidic. And so even when we put things like water on our skin, that has a neutral pH, it throws off the balance or worse. If we use a bar soap that lathers up that has a high pH. So that’s going to throw up mildly acidic balance. And what that does is it makes us more prone to breaking out and acne or XMR other skin problems having dry skin, and also more likely to age faster if our skin isn’t in that ideal pH range. So when I found all this out, I thought, okay, well, this is what’s missing here. And so that’s why I created my own skincare line so that it would incorporate all of those.

So if you’ve been trying a product, maybe you love it. And it contains harmful chemicals. I would say, you know, it’s your, body’s going to be better off in the longterm. If you’re not exposed to those chemicals, maybe they haven’t created an issue for you at this point, but it’s just like healthy eating. If, you know, eventually if you, if you’re eating a bunch of junk food is going to catch up with you at some point. And it’s the same way with the skincare products. We are exposed to so many chemicals in our environment, and there are certain things that we have control over and our personal care products are one of those. So I think it’s really important for people to start using clean and nontoxic. And then when you make that switch, what’s going to make the difference in keeping your skin clear and aging gracefully is get making sure that you’re using a brand that incorporates that mildly acidic pH range, and also has a natural actives.

Well, I think that’s great news for everybody listening, because you’re saying you can’t have, you know, natural, safe, effective, but it’s also, um, yeah, it’s also effective too at the same time, which I think is people’s concern is like, I don’t care what is in this. I just, you know, I want to look good. Okay. So let’s talk about, what about, for example, coconut oil. People love that as a skin moisturizer, is that hype or is there real behind that?

No, I think, well, certainly coconut oil is, is something you could eat. So I, I like to say that if you wouldn’t put it in your mouth, you probably shouldn’t be putting on your skin because you are absorbing what you’ve, you know, a lot of the things that you put on your skin you’ll absorb. So, I mean, that’s one of the good things about coconut oil, is it, it is a clean product. And especially if you’re seeing an organic coconut oil, but if people are putting it on their face, it actually can. For some people, it can clog pores. If, if you just use straight coconut oil, it can cause people to break out an acne. Now I do use a little bit of coconut oil and my cleanser, but I balance it with other ingredients. So it’s not just straight coconut oil. So I think it is again, be a nice component, but alone, it tends to clog the pores and not be good for certain skin types.

So some people use it, especially if you’re using it on your body and people will love it. What I find a lot of people tell me is that they don’t feel like when they use it on their body, that it absorbs very well. It just kinda sits on the skin. Um, and that has to do with the molecular size of it. It’s not designed to really penetrate the skin very well. So, you know, I think like, just to sum that up, then I think that it could be used as part of a formulation, but I think alone, there are better options than just coconut oil. It’s better than using like oil or something.

Gotcha. What about alcohol? How does that affect your skin similar to sugar or what

With, with, um, when you’re, what you’re talking about internally.

Yeah. Like the glycation, like you talked about with sugar, is that a similar effect internally? Yeah. Not putting it on your skin, not putting out, don’t take a bath and wine. Is that what I’m saying?

Well, no. Yeah, certainly. You know, we know that alcohol has dehydrating effects, so it’s, it’s one of the things that’s gonna create more dehydration also, um, consumption, you know, more excessive consumption of alcohol is going to deplete your body of certain nutrients, like B vitamins. So that’s another reason. Um, and, and yeah, if you, if you’re having beer, wine things or mixers or things that have a high blood sugar, you’re going to increase your blood sugar, and then yes, that’s going to lead to like glycation issues. So that is one of the things that I have people give up during my program is alcohol. Now, I’m not saying that people have to give up alcohol forever. I am, I can occasional glass of wine or beer or a cocktail every now and then it’s not like you have to totally give it up, but certainly I’m giving it up for a while. Can tell you, give you some information about how your body reacts to not having it. Because I think a lot of people get so used to having their every night having a glass of wine or a cocktail or something to kind of unwind. And it’s really not the healthiest habit to get into.

No, I agree with that. And same with sugar. It’s not like we’re telling people, Hey, you can’t ever have this again. It’s just, you need to be careful. Right? You need to find that balance of, um, you know, if you over-consume, it, obviously there’s going to be negative side effects, just like almost anything, right. If you drink too much water and you could die. So, but at the same time, we know specifically like sugar and alcohol, you know, are toxins right to our body. And if you over-consumed them, then there’s going to be a lot of negative side effects. But you know, it doesn’t mean you can’t have a, a, you know, a piece of cake at your daughter’s birthday party or Hey, go out and have a beer with friends or things like that. But everything in moderation kind of mentality, right? Yes. Right.

Yes. But it’s cool though, that you kind of brought this up to talk about the application of the skin. Cause like I said, I think it’s, it really is overlooked. Right? Uh, we feel like skincare to have nice skin is a luxury, you know, Oh, we got to spend a lot of money. The more expensive, the better it is for you. And um, but you know, a lot of people are just like same thing with healthy food. They’re like, ah, it’s just too expensive. So I’m just going to buy this cheap stuff because budget right. Finances. So, but I’m, I’m assuming you’re kind of a, have the same mentality of it’s an investment, right? You’re investing in your health, you’re investing in your skin, but at the same time, your skin is tied to your health. So don’t overlook it. It’s all encompassing. And the cool thing to know is that, you know, if you just eat healthy food, non-processed food, for the most part, you’re going to be able to not just help your weight or your physical appearance, but also your skin as well, if you just avoid unhealthy foods for the most part.

Right. Absolutely. And, and, you know, I think about 80% of our healthy skin comes from, from our diet and lifestyle, you know, stress management, exercise, those kinds of things. And then that extra 20% is what we put on our skin. So it’s really, it is a combination. I think that you can get a lot of, of a benefit for your skin, from the foods that you eat and also what you put on your skin is important. And I know, and I don’t want to make people think that it has to be expensive for it to be effective because I, even in my book, I, I share do it yourself, skincare recipes. So in addition to the food recipes, I also have to do yourself, skincare recipes, things that you ingredients you probably already have in your kitchen, things like avocados or oats or, um, uh, certain types of oils that you might already have in your kitchen.

And honey, for example, into these, these can be great ingredients to use topically on the skin and, you know, papaya or those sorts of things. So it can be great to use and do it yourself skincare, which certainly people can do on a budget. It does it, you know, you want to make it fresh and making every few days, but it is something that is an option for people. And I think it can be even, it’s actually even pretty fun to do it. I actually, this past weekend, I spent some time in the, with my daughter and we whipped up a bunch of different things and had a spotty at home with her and made it kind of like a little family thing. So it was fun.

Oh, that’s a good idea. I think maybe I’ll do that with my girls. So I think they would love something like that, to be honest with you. So after the checkout, how’s the checkout, several of these, a do it yourself, recipes are and see if they want to do it with me. I think that would be fun. Sometimes we paint nails and stuff like that and they’ll paint my nails too. So I have no shame in that. Okay. Well, we’re running out of time here. Um, dr. Trevor, but I wanted to do a quick lightning round, ask you some quick, rapid fire questions to kind of get your answer. Uh, and you know, these are just kind of quick. Some of them are random, some are funny. Um, but anyways, there will just be a few. Is that okay? Okay. Okay. What was your favorite book? You’ve read this past year.

Oh my gosh. This is my favorite book that I read this past year. Um,

Was the most impactful one. The Mo the one that had the most impact on you?

Well, actually one that I read recently was a book by Sally Hogshead called fascinate. And it was, it talks about how to, um, how, how to market in a way that’s fascinating, which I thought was great. It was really helpful for me with, um, writing the book and, and cashing people’s attention. But of course, you know, clean skin from within my own book, it was going to be really my favorite.

Gotcha. What was your favorite movie you saw this past year?

Um, my favorite movie, you know, it’s so funny because I have so little time to go see movies. Um, I I’m gonna say, Oh my gosh, I can’t even think of a movie, but no, it’s, it’s funny because, um, I think I spend a lot of the time that I would spend this past year going to see a movie. I was doing research on my book. So I’m just going to have to pass on that one. I’m sorry.

Yeah, well, no, that’s totally fine. You’ll just have to make time for yourself, you know, in the next year to take a break, maybe go on vacation. And because I know how it is writing a book. It is not easy. It’s not easy at all. And so you deserve a break for sure. Okay. Um, wine red or white.

I would say, I always say red mainly cause my family makes Pinot noir, so that’s my thing. Yeah. Yeah.

I have to think. We just became best friends. That’s so cool. Um, I did not know that in California or

Yeah. In California. Yeah. Santa Barbara County.

Okay. Gotcha. What’s one thing you can’t live without, for example, mine. A lot of people listen to my podcast. No, I have to have chapstick in my pocket, no matter where I go.

Oh my gosh. I would say my skincare line, I’ve gotten so addicted. The offer stops at my skincare line. So I don’t know if I could go without it. At least the cleanser and the moisturizer. I don’t know if I could do without those.

Ooh, that leads me to another question. Is that travel size friendly?

Um, or we do have travel kits. Yes, we do have travel sites.

Okay. That’s important to know because I travel a lot and that’s one thing when they don’t check it back, it’s like, Oh, I gotta leave my favorite products at home. Cause they’re, you know, more than three or four ounces or whatever the limit is, so. Okay. That’s good to know. Um, okay then we’re all done, dr. Trevor. Wasn’t too bad. Right? We just gotta get you to a movie theater every once in a while. Um, really quick before we go, where can people find you on social media, your podcast, your book, all of that. And we’ll put all the links in the show notes.

Absolutely. Um, so people can go to the spa. Dr. Com and doctor is abbreviated dr. So the S P a D r.com. And that’s where we went to and find all the information. Nikki also go to the skin quiz.com and I want to offer your, um, I want to offer them, um, an offer for my book to get it for free. So I want to get the hands, my more, more of my books into more hands of people so that we can share this information. So, um, I want to give you a link to share with everybody so that they can get the book for free. All they have to do is pay for the shipping and handling for it. And that’s for a limited time that we can only offer that for a limited time. Cause my book comes out March 15th, once it’s out, we can’t offer that anymore, but I would love to be able to offer that to your audience.

Okay. So once you have the link, you can send that to me. We’ll put that in the show notes, right? Right. Absolutely. Okay. So you don’t have it right now.

I, um, I do have it right now. If you want to, to share it with everybody, it’s the spot actor.com forward slash book offer. Okay.

My producers will put that in the show notes. Um, and when this podcast areas will be around that time. So you’re saying after March 15th, they can go to that link and get a free copy of the book.

No, actually before, before that time? Yes. Before? Yes.

Okay. We will have that in the show notes when this episode airs. Um, just so everybody’s aware and we’ll put all the links. What about social media?

Social media. People can find me. Dr. Trevor Cates. I’m all over the place on Facebook. Pinterest, YouTube, um, you know, Twitter everywhere. Are you on Snapchat yet? Oh, that’s wonderful.

Yeah. You have to have your daughter teach you how to use it. That’s okay. Um, and then what about your podcast?

My podcast is called the spot actor podcasts.

Okay. I just want to make sure that we put all the links in there so everybody can find all the great things that you have to offer. So, um, once again, dr. Trevor, it was a pleasure having you on thank you so much. Um, I have some questions for you off the air, so stick around and I’ll, I’ll tell you that the audience will tell you guys later what I was at, what I asked her. But anyways, thank you once again for coming on. I really appreciate it.

Thank you. [inaudible].

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