What is up, everybody. Welcome back to the fit to fat, to fit experience podcast. It’s me, your host, drew Manning flying solo today, but that’s okay. I’m doing good. And I’m glad that you guys are back here to tune in for another great episode that we have for you guys. So today’s, uh, today’s guest is actually a friend of mine that I met just a little bit ago. His name’s dr. Chad Adams, and I met him through, um, a kin stretch class. Now, if you, none of you guys know what that is. That’s okay. I had heard about it, but I didn’t know exactly what it was until I had my own experience doing it. So dr. Adams, he’s a Utah native grew up here in the state of Utah has practiced martial arts since he was a kid. He is a sports medicine physician with higher degrees in chiropractic anatomy and health and wellness.

His certifications include applied kinesiology, Kinesio taping, facial distortion model, functional range conditioning. And he’s a certified kin stretch instructor. If Nick, if you guys have no idea what that means, that’s okay. He’s just really smart. But one thing about him that you don’t know that he does talk about is he did not actually graduate high school, you guys, and he went on to achieve all these great certifications. So, um, we kind of dive into that a little bit. Dr. Adams is also a corrective exercise specialist through the national Academy of sports medicine. Uh, he practiced in Dallas and Scottsdale where he was also professor of anatomy and physiology, you know, lives in practices in South Jordan, Utah at a place called Cairo fusion, which has, uh, excellent massages by the way. It’s not like a spa retreat type of place, but they have great, great massages there.

Um, he’s been a practitioner of martial arts since 1994, and he’s taught since 1997. He teaches a cup Huerta, which is a Brazilian foreign martial arts slash dance. And I actually learned a little bit of that when I lived in Brazil. So we kind of talk about that a little bit, but we get into mostly what can stretches, who is for the benefits of it. We kind of throw out the old myths of just dynamic and static stretching, which have become the norm and been the norm so long. And that’s why I love construction. I really do feel like this is the stuff for the future. That’s going to help prevent injuries and help to keep us as a species functionally fit. So we’ll dive into that. But before we dive into the episode, you guys, um, have to give a shout out to our show sponsors, uh, without them, no, this would be possible.

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All right. Dr. Chad Adams, welcome to the show, man.

Yo drew. Thanks for having me, man.

It’s a pleasure. Yeah, man, I’m super excited. I got to meet you and I’m super excited that you said yes to coming on my podcast, because I’d heard about you and, um, you know, a little bit about kin stretch, which we’ll get into today. Um, but I didn’t really know what it was until I experienced it and I still don’t know what it is you and all that other people that’s okay. Exactly. All I know is that was something new, something amazing, something mind blowing that I think you’re, you know, everyday average person needs to learn about because you know, ever since maybe the sixties or seventies, we’ve learned, you know, static stretching, right. And football practice, and it’s been the same for years. And so kin stretch was something that was something very new. But before we just jump into that, um, I just kind of want to introduce you to my audience. Tell us a little bit about your background, like where you grew up and a little bit about your story of, uh, like your education and what led you to where you are today.

Sure, absolutely. Well, I grew up in a little city called Orem, Utah happy Valley as it were. And, uh, uh, you know, the, the biggest thing that I, that really influenced me when I was a kid was, was the martial arts. I started training in a, kind of a traditional Asian martial art when I was about 15 years old. And that was really my passion. I wasn’t much of a, of a student. It was, it was kind of my safe Haven was to do the martial arts. It was ultimately what got me injured, uh, at a little bit later date and time. And I started seeing a chiropractor.

And how old, how old were you at that time?

Gosh, you know, drew, I was probably 23,

23 years. Yeah. You know what? I was trying to pick up this, uh, I think he was about 250 pound Israeli kid dump them on his head. And, uh, I, I injured a disc in my low back and I had a student that his wife worked for a chiropractor at the time and made the suggestion. I never heard of chiropractic or what they could do or what kind of doctors they were. And I started seeing this guy and he was so stoked about his job and what he did that I was like, Oh my gosh, I think I could probably do this. And I owe everything to that guy as far as motivating me enough to, you know, cause I was kind of a, um, you know, between you and me and, and whoever’s listening, I actually didn’t graduate high school.

And so I got, which is a,

you know, all of my patients out there and people that have trusted me suck, sorry about that.

Mmm.

You know, I didn’t think it was, it was possible for what I thought was a guy like me to become a physician and actually help people. Um, and this guy really helped me see that, Hey, you know, anyone can do it. And he was kind of the same attitude. Hey, if I can do it, anybody can do it. So, um, I started working, uh, working with, with him as a, as a patient. And, you know, I didn’t have this amazing healing story that sometimes you hear with chiropractors, like, you know, the, the hand of God came down and touched my back and I was miraculously healed. Um,

but I thought that happens to all chiropractors. That’s their story, their pitch,

you know, maybe that’s where I’ve gone wrong in some of my face getting I needed to change it to that. But I think my story it’s similar to most people where, you know, I did feel better. I saw results. Um, and I was pleased with the work and I thought, you know, I could, I could do this. I started putting in the work, uh, prerequisite wise to, to get into school. And I had been out of high school long enough that, you know, I qualify for some kind, if I could pass the entrance exam to the university of Utah, that they would let me in. And lo and behold they did and, uh, put the work in. And I went to chiropractic college in Dallas, Texas, it’s called Parker university of chiropractic and actually graduated there with honors. So it turns out that I wasn’t a dummy. I just didn’t like to go to school. You know, first of all, that’s a great story because a lot of us grew up in this, in this American education system, we think, okay, here’s the steps you’ve got to go through these steps to be successful in life.

In reality. There’s no one true path that makes sense for everybody. Yes. You know, for the most part, going to school is important, but that doesn’t mean, you know, your life’s over, you can’t do amazing things with your life. If you don’t have a GED or if you don’t have a bachelor’s degree. Um, so I love that you talk about that and you’re totally honest and open because I don’t think really at the end of the day, who cares, you know, who cares if you’re out there fixing people and you know how to fix people, then who cares, you know, what school you went to. Um, you know, but it is pretty interesting that you did go back to school, um, and, uh, and graduated. And then, and then from there kind of, sorry, I interrupted.

No, not at all. Cute keep going though, you know, inspirational women in our lives. You know, my wife was a huge catalyst, you know, she said one thing, Hey, maybe you could be a chiropractor and that’s what started it all. And, you know, without her support the whole time, there’s no way I could have made it. And you know, like what you said about, you know, some of the standardized educational thoughts and the protocols that we believe in. And, um, um, I’m so grateful for my chiropractic training, all the chiropractors out there, I’m sorry, I’m a complete heretic now. You know, the way I practice now is so far away from traditional chiropractic care. Uh, but it was that foundation set by that schooling, my schooling life that helped me find the way that I practice now, which is completely different than, uh, kind of the normal, you know, subluxation adjustment based chiropractor. So I’m truly grateful for that, that platform. Cause I think it’s gotten me to where I am today.

Yeah. So I don’t know exactly what that means. Um, but I do know that you’re different than most chiropractors that have kind of come in contact with. So that’s all I can say. That’s all they understood was that you’re different.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, usually, um, and I shouldn’t say usually, cause there’s so many shapes and form of chiropractic and that’s kind of the cool thing about the profession is that it has a huge scope of practice. Quite often, people will kind of get in this, uh, you know, you have to get adjusted so many times a week for so long to get rid of, you know, fill in the blank, whatever ailment you have, the symptomatology that you have, you have headaches, Oh, you need this many adjustments over this period of time. I just kinda lost my, my flavor for that after having practiced that way and thought, you know what, no matter who comes in the door, I’m pretty much cracking the same bumps. And I kind of felt like a sellout after a certain, uh, uh, period of time, uh, which led me to the way that I practice now, which is very much, uh, individualized assessment for somebody, Hey, I have this shoulder injury. Well, great. What is your shoulder not doing? And let’s make it, do those things. So it’s, it’s way funner that way. Anyway, you know, when, when somebody, and I don’t want anybody to take this the wrong way, but if somebody comes in with low back pain, we’re like, Oh really? You don’t, you don’t have something else, like, like an ankle or a knee or something that’s fun to work with, but we love working with any case. Um, but anything that’s not spine related. I love working on that kind of stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. That’s great. So what kind of martial arts did you grow up doing exactly?

You know, I did, um, a style that was called Shalon tempo and it was kind of an Americanized version of an art that was the beginning stages. We’re supposed to be more of a Japanese influence, which is very linear, very straight, like, you know, one block, one punch, that kind of thing that is easy to grasp for a beginner. And then as you got more advanced, they introduced the Shaolin temple Chinese influence where we were, you know, the, the crane form and the snake techniques and the tiger, you know, all that kind of stuff that, um, you would expect to see in any kind of Kung Fu movie. We just didn’t have the cool robes to go along with it.

Yeah, no, that’s really cool. I’ve actually never heard of that. And that’s pretty cool that you got exposed to that, especially here in Utah. I didn’t even know it was possible.

That was the early nineties in Utah. And you talk about dead zone for martial arts. It’s opened up now and especially where I grew up there, wasn’t a whole lot of options. So I was really lucky to find a phenomenal instructor who was teaching at the time. And again, you know, we were kind of talking about platforms for education that set the platform for me. I, I at, uh, in 1998, I started practicing the Brazilian martial art kapa laid up. And I’ve been doing that for October is my, is my cop way to, uh, training 18 year anniversary. So we don’t have to wait for 18 years now, the martial arts for over 20, uh, but couple way to specifically for 18. And we also teach that here in our facility and in Utah,

which is so cool by the way. So for those of you who don’t know, actually spent two years in Brazil, picked up a little bit, a little bit of cup of water. You know, I was in an area called Salvador, which is Northeast, which is kind of where I think capita was born. Right?

Yeah. That’s the, that’s the birthplace, that’s the mother, right,

right there. And it was, it was such a cool experience because it, yes, it is a form of martial art, but it’s kind of almost like a dance too, right? I mean, you, you kind of flow your own way. You have your own technique. There’s no one right way to do it. Is that, is that right?

Oh, you’re exactly right. It’s, it’s very open to interpretation. Of course. There’s kind of the baseline understanding of the, Hey, if somebody kicks at your face, it’s probably a good idea to get your face out of the way it has those dance, like movements, acrobatic the live music, you know, when it was created, it was all of those, those different aspects of art were designed to hide it. So the slaves that were being oppressed by the slave owners didn’t know they were actually practicing this martial art. It was, it was meant to disguise this, this, this fight. And it still works. You know, people look at it today and say, Oh, you know, they’re just dancing around and it’s just dance or it’s just acrobatics or something like that. But, uh, you know, there’s some pretty gnarly, pretty gnarly kicks in there.

Oh, I know are, I mean, seriously, I’ve seen some really athletic people guys and girls just kind of get in the middle right there. And people are, are in a circle, kind of cheering them on with some of them, some kind of beats, right. Some musical beats too. Um, but I forgot that story of the origin of it. Uh, it was disguised as a dance, even though they’re practicing martial arts. I forgot about that though. It’s

kind of the, you know, the, the big difference between some of these other and even then, you know, the Asian martial arts, some of that was out a lot, a lot of the weapons that, that are in Asian martial arts, we’re farming implements, you know, they weren’t allowed to have weapons. Uh, so that kind of that smoke and mirrors is, is I think been a, a long standing point for the evolution of martial arts and that’s, and that’s how I started in Brazil was the last country to abolish slavery. And, um, the slaves had to find a way to, to rise up and to, uh, you know, their own self preservation and Capoeira was one of those things for the, for the Brazilian slaves.

Yeah. That’s so cool. So my one experience down there, I went to like one class, I think they kind of, they kind of recruit you right. To come and pay a monthly fee to be a member of this class. And I went to one class and, you know, they taught us some basic moves like you talked about. And then they’re just like, all right, go in there and do your thing. And I remember like I had no idea what I was doing, but I had watched them do some moves and I wish I could have gotten video of it and look back on to see how ridiculous I looked. But it was really cool just to see you kind of just don’t care. Like you just find yourself in this, um, in cup Wetta. And so it was really cool. So anyways, I know that’s not what, what we’re I have you on to talk about, but I do think it’s really cool that you know how to do it. You’ve been doing it for 18 years. And if you do want to learn, there are plenty of places here in the United States. I mean, I remember when I lived in Huntington beach, there was people they would have groups and, and classes, um, in Huntington beach. So

yeah, huge crossroads in, in California on the coast, you know, the, the bookends as it were Utah and some of them, the Midwestern States, it’s a little less, a little less prolific, but yeah, it’s pretty well represented. So it’s a lot of fun.

Yeah, man. Okay. Let’s, uh, let’s move a little bit into kin stretch. Um, and this is, this is my experience with kin stretch. You guys, I don’t know how else to describe it other than painful stretching, but in a way that I know is helping me. So it’s not like a bad pain, it’s a good pain that I know is helping me in the long run, but movements of your body that you’re not really used to doing, um, that provide a lot of benefits, but I’ll be honest. I really was sore from doing one session of kin stretch. So let’s start with the origin of kin stretch, you know, how it came to be and why you practice it and why you believe in it.

Sure. And just in your defense drew, I mean, that, that wad you guys did before was pretty nasty. So, I mean, I applaud you for sitting through the whole thing and letting me do that to your hips afterwards.

I forgot. I forgot to mention that I did work out like a CrossFit. Yeah.

And like a madman. I mean, wow. So, so truly props to you for even, for even hanging. So yeah. You know, so Kim’s trench is, um, is a, a technique that was developed by dr. Andrew spina. Um, and it’s a, it’s a science based activity that’s meant to regain and reclaim usable what we call usable ranges of motion. The, the techniques that are, that are within it yeah. Are some pretty similar things that people have seen over the years, but also the,

the interpretation of them is, is what’s going to be new. Right. There’s I mean, how many times have you heard that saying, there’s, there’s nothing new out there. We just kind of

Polish it up and change it a little bit, but this stuff is,

it’s pretty new. It’s pretty interesting. As far as the application, not only, uh, clinically, we use it as our rehab in our clinic, but as a way to truly increase sports performance.

And we do that by a couple of ways. Right. So, um, when we talk about the tissues of the body, they should be able to do certain things. Um, three of kids, right? Two little girls. And how many times do you look at them? And just all in wonder at their ability to get up off the ground, get back down there. Um, they’re split to stand, stand to squat, you know, blood on the ground and without any moving of anything else, you know, flip their heels right underneath them and stand right back up again.

Yeah. That’s so true. I know I do observe them and they do have weird, uh, flexibility, um, and strength in certain areas. Whereas an adult I could, I’m like, man, that would be really hard to do. So I know exactly, exactly what you’re talking about.

And, and as an adult, you think about some of those situations that cash that, that makes my knees hurt.

Yeah.

You know, and on that same, on that same side of the coin, how many times do people say, Oh, I used to be able to do that or when I was younger, I could do that.

Hmm. Yeah. That’s true.

And what happens, what happened between now and then? And of course, everybody has their story, right? Whether it’s an injury or overuse, whether it’s overused or something traumatic, right. There’s always going to be some kind of rate limiting factor. But the interesting thing about the human body is that innate wisdom is that it tries to be the most efficient, um, use of, of metabolic energy possible. Right? So if I don’t use my shoulder to its full extent in a day to day occurrence, my body would say, well, gosh, I have this shoulder, I have this tissue. I’m allocating all of this metabolic energy to it. Whether it be the nerves, that sense pressure or pain or motion or tension, um, I have all this blood going to it. That’s a huge metabolic piece of energy. You know, if I’m not using it in this certain range, why, why am I going to, why am I wasting that, that metabolic energy?

I think I’m just going to shut it down and send all of that attention to my brain or my heart or my liver, or one of those important visceral organs that, you know, quite honestly keep us alive. Okay. So sometimes we can kind of paraphrase or put in parentheses that the body is kind of, kind of dumb in that way, but it’s not dumb. It’s just truly efficient. Right? So the principles, the, one of the biggest takeaways for the, of kin stretches that we challenge and demand the body to do those ranges of motion. So we can reclaim all of that metabolic energy. Right. And we find that when we reclaim those ranges of motion, Hey, guess what? Pain in a muscle up my goal away where your knees and your squat might be a lot more stable because you’re able to recruit the fibers that are surrounding the knee tissue, right?

Your reps go up, your weight goes up, those PRS become a thing of the past as you, as you bypass. Right? So there are certain principles within kin stretch that we have to not only increase range of motion, but the control of it. And that’s the big deal. Right? There’s, you know, we, um, in the class that you took, we defined some terms, right. We wanted to, uh, let people know there’s a huge difference between flexibility mobilization and the word mobility, right. That mobility where it’s kind of the sexy word out there and in the, in the health and fitness world right now. Yeah.

Yeah. I actually wanted you to touch on this cause, um, there is, even for me, it’s, it’s hard to describe what the difference between, you know, flexibility, mobility. And now you’re saying mobilization too. I’m, I’m definitely intrigued. So I got my, uh, notes, uh, a pad of paper.

Awesome. So let’s talk, let’s talk about flexibility. So what, what people often think of flexibility is a, and the definition of that is probably going to be something passive. Right. Um, when I think of somebody flexible, I think of, you know, maybe, uh, you know, one of those circus acts where the person’s stuff’s off in a box.

Yeah, exactly. That’s, we’ll

just kind of fold up and it almost seems like they don’t have any bones. Yeah. Flexibility is going to be a range of motion, but quite often we find that a passive range of motion. Right. That means that I either have to have gravity get me into that position, or I have to pull myself into that position where I fall into it. Right. I think it was John Claude, van dam, you know, kind of thing. Right. Yeah. Great. Examples of flexibility. Okay. When we talk about mobility, it’s the words are similar and often interchange. But when we talk about mobility, there’s a few other requirements. Flexibility is certainly one of those things where the tissue is able to achieve that range of motion. Right. But it’s how it achieves that range of motion. Right. So we, we like to say that it’s an active and usable range of motion, right?

So in the martial arts, it’s one thing, if I can just throw my leg up and it crashes down on the other side, right. It’s quite different than if I control that arc of motion, uh, which then I can, I can manipulate the speed and power of that. So you can see how that would apply in just about anything, whether you do ballet, yoga, CrossFit, power, lifting, anything. If I have more control of the tissue, what happens is I can increase speed and power, but I can decrease my injury potential. Right. So injuries are, are always going to be an issue. They’re going to be inevitable, but I’m, if my tissue is, is trained to go in, what would normally be considered abnormal ranges of motion. So let’s take, what’s a common lift in, in your workout routine,

you know, like, uh, uh, power clean in CrossFit, you know, that’s, that’s pretty common power clean,

perfect example. So is there a very defined and specific technique for a power play?

Yeah. Yeah. I would say it’s pretty specific,

pretty specific. Right. It’s and it’s kind of a loaded question, but yeah, absolutely. Right. So when you think of getting injured, doing a power clean, usually it’s because you’ve strayed from some kind of protocol, right. Either the weight’s too heavy, you’re going too fast. You fatigue and you break form. Is that fair enough to say,

Oh yeah. I would say most injuries caused by improper form or, you know, trying to overdo it, push yourself past your limits of where you’re, where you’re currently at.

Yeah, exactly. So, um, one of dr Spinoza’s great sayings is that you will always regret not training in the position that you get injured in, which is a pretty powerful statement. So what that means is as soon as we, you know, if we grease this one motion, right, I have this one power clean technique. And as soon as I go beyond that, right, again, dr. Spina is definition of injury when the load exceeds the capacity of the tissue. So one of our points in kin stretch and a functional range conditioning, they’re kind of one in the same thing, just depending on the setting is we’re going to train in those unpredictable. And usually not the norm, right? If this is the power clean through this one range of motion, we want to change. We want to train through multiple ranges of motion. So if I do stray outside of the, of the limits of a specific technique, I would be able to mitigate that injury.

Does that make sense for training for the unpredictable? We want to train not improperly, right? So don’t get me wrong. We’re not training bad form. We’re not training that technique. But instead of that one plane, that one range of motion that this one movement white require, we’re making sure that, okay, I need hip flection to be able to do a power clean. Right. I need hip hinge. I need a couple of other things, right. I need, um, wrist flection to be able to rack the bar in that top position. Right. So if I can’t achieve those positions unloaded and without a ballistic, uh, you know, ballistically loading that if I can’t

do that without any way, what makes anyone think they’ll be able to do that?

Exactly. Their ego thankfully, right? Yeah.

You’re taking withdrawals on a bank account that you’re not making any deposits in. Right. You might be able to get away with it because of youth or genetics or recovery, like senior, just some monster recovery guy. Right. You can, you can take a nap and all of your tissues are, are knit together already. Right. Um, but that’s only gonna last for so long. Right. And the reality of that is most of us want to, or hopefully move well into our, into our later years. Right. And, and it’s, and it’s training injuries quite often are those rate limiting factors. How many times have you heard that? Oh, I did this one lift and blew out a disc and I never lifted it.

Yeah. All the time actually. Yeah.

So I’m kind of wandering now. So the whole point was mobility. Um, but when we define that term now, it’s, it comes to a different meaning than just being able to move a piece of tissue through time and space. And then the last word we talked about was mobilization. Right. So people confuse mobility and mobilization. Oh, what are you guys doing? Oh, we’re doing our mobile, our mobility training before we work out. Right. And quite often, what do you see people doing before they work out?

Uh, usually some lightweight of, you know, or they’ll, you know, they’ll do some type of a cardio warmup to warm.

Yeah. That kind of motion. And I’m not saying that’s bad, I’m not saying that’s incorrect, but it’s not. If we, if we agree on what the definition of mobility is, which is a controlled range of motion, stability, and, and some kind of range of motion for the tissue flexibility. Right. So if we’re saying it’s those things, um, you know, quite often we see people foam rolling before activity doing some kind of static stretch or some kind of motion that, um, is, is warming up the tissue, which is always a good idea of a warmup. Right. Um, but if we’re, if we’re truly going off with the definition of, and making some kind of headway or increasing range of motion, and we have to be specific in these terms, right. We have to, we have to expect more out of training. Right. So with those three things, then it becomes something different. And mobility becomes now the foundation for anything we do. And not just a warmup, it’s not just a cool down right now. It becomes the linchpin. It becomes the cornerstone, how many super limits can I put onto it? Right.

Oh,

so important regardless of your activity, but especially if you’re going to load your tissues in a ballistic way.

Yeah. Okay. So this is kind of what I want to get across to everybody is I think people listening to this thing, this is something for extreme athletes, CrossFitters, powerlifters, that, you know, your average person doesn’t really need to do these types of if they’re just walking or if they’re just, you know, going to the gym for 30 minutes, you know, hitting some abs and cardio or something like that. But I really do feel like kin stretch is for every single person. So whether you’ve sat at a desk desk for the last 50 years and you’re, you’re older now, and you’re overweight, I feel like kin stretch is something that’s beneficial for everybody. It’s the new way of quote unquote warming up or cooling down versus the old methods that we’ve been taught for so many years. Is that, and correct me if I’m wrong, but can you touch on that a little bit? It was a four,

I think you nailed it right on the head. I think it’s, it’s, it’s easy for people to get caught up and myself included. I mean, if you look at my Instagram, um, I wear the tightest tights. I can with the craziest pattern. So people remember me and I try to do the coolest moves I can think of, um, to mostly just to, to create conversation. Right. And people see that thing. Well, gosh, I could never do that. There, there are so many people better at this than I am where you see my goodness, that person is, you know, the quote unquote, that guy’s a freak or that guy’s amazing or whatever it is. I could never do that. So I’m not even going to try. And that’s obviously one of the worst, uh, approaches that we can take because, um, you know, it’s just, it’s overwhelming to see that type of movement.

But what people have to understand is that it’s just a show of what the, the capabilities of the human body that it has. Right. But if we could take the, like you said, the desk sitter and improve their life, even by 30%, let’s say you take some things totally modest by, by 30. Hey, what if we could make you just move through time and space and feel 30% better? Would you be interested? Right. And most people would jump at that. Just, just that little bit, just to feel better. And kin stretch is absolutely for everybody can stretch, could absolutely provide that. And more regardless of age, previous injuries, any kind of, of, of those rate limiting factors that we talked about, be it surgeries or whatever the, the approach is so customizable. It is so approachable for anybody regardless of their needs or their, or their limitations either, either real or perceived.

Yeah. So quick question for you because I hear this a lot and I know people personally, let’s say, for example, you know, I hear this from some people who say, look, I have tight hamstrings. I have never been able to touch my toes. And it’s just, you know, I just have tight hamstrings and there’s not a whole lot I can do about it, which affects my, you know, mobility when doing certain movements. What do you say to people that, that tell you that, do you kind of laugh and say, like, what’s your thoughts about those people that are just like, Oh, well, that’s just how I, that’s how I was born in those in my, I absolutely laugh. Um, whether it’s to their face,

they’re not, it just kind of depends on the person and their, and their situation because how many people, I mean, we could, we could, you know, have some kind of phone in, Hey, I’m, you know, I’m part of the tight hamstring club. I’m part of the tight hip flexor club. And quite often people are part of both of those clubs. Um, I tell them, Hey, you know what? We have a support group that meets twice a week. It’s Monday and Wednesday night at eight 15. We call it tight hamstrings anonymous, if you want to come in and it’s the safe group, and we’ll take you through the 12 steps to, um, to, um, uh, redemption. But what it is is, is, you know, and you said it again, you know, people will say, Oh, I used to be able to touch my toes. And now I can’t.

Well, why, you know, what’s changed in their lives. There are certainly the compromised positions that we take either again, forced or perceived, whatever it might be, as far as, Hey, I work at a desk all day, what do I have to do? Well, I’ve got to sit for eight to 10 hours a day. Is that going to change my tissue? Right. Gravity demands that it will. Okay. So if it’s, if it’s something that we’re not actively trying to change, we’re never going to do that. Right? So somebody that knowingly has tight hamstrings, quite often, all you see them doing is foam rolling over and over again, or doing a couple of dynamics. That’s the thing now, dynamic stretching, um, you know, to loosen them up, but without a very direct and sustainable and reproducible protocol, that person is, is, is quite rarely gonna see any change, especially if there is some kind of deficit age or physical condition or against some kind of injury that we have to overcome.

Right. And that’s where kids stress comes in. It is a very reproducible objective approach to say, okay, look, this hip doesn’t work correctly. Well, why? Well, the tissue on the back, the hamstrings are compromised. The tissue on the side, the tissue on the front, that lectures, whatever it might be, the joint itself. And we come up with a strategy on how to change all of that tissue. And the, you know, the problem with this is just like anything else it’s like putting braces on your teeth, it’s going to take time and it’s going to take consistency, right? And that’s where we really try to, to hammer that point home is that mobility work is not sexy. Mobility work is not the, you know, the, the 15 minutes before you, you know, do a lot or the 10 minutes before you jump in the car and go home mobility, true mobility, and to change mobility takes hard work and should be that foundation before you engage in any kind of activity, especially if you want to change the performance of what you’re doing, increase the performance and decrease that injury potential.

That’s interesting. Okay. So, um, let’s talk specifics here. What is a kin stretch? What’s the structure of a kin stretch class. And then from there, where do people go and apply it? So let’s say for example, they go to a kin stretch class. Are they learning tools and techniques that they can use in their everyday lives? Like you said, before they get in the car before they do a normal workout or do they just go to [inaudible] class and then everything else is solved. They don’t need to apply anything else outside of that class. Talk to me a little bit about that.

Absolutely. So I am, I am probably one of the most OCD people out there. So I try to structure my classes in a very specific way. Right. And it’s a little bit fluid as far as the movements that we’re doing, but the principles are always going to be somewhat the same. And those principles, you know, it’s actually kind of a horrible business model drew. We actually want people to do this stuff at home and we teach them the principles. Hey, when you’re at home, remember to look for these things. I, I teach the class as if I’m never going to see this person again. Right. I want them to understand the principles, um, and, and something that’s, that’s so scientific. There’s that very fine line of instructing the class and not lecturing the class. Right. So we’re, we’re still doing the movements, but they understand the principles behind them so they can go home and apply it.

So I try to structure the class to where we have very specific movements that we do. We call it, we call them controlled articular rotations, right. If that’s your daily floss, right. It’s your daily toothbrushing. You do that no matter what. And you do that a bit, actually, you know, people are into this whole, well, how many reps, how many sets, how often should I do it? Right. I just say, look, this is you’re that guy you’re going to be that guy in that group where, you know, that guy that’s always like squatting or like putting his leg up on something or like moving his arm. You’re going to be that guy. Right. You’re going to do this have been actually. Um, so when we, again, when we train it’s as if I’m never going to see them again. Okay. But for some reason, and you probably understand this, people love to suffer in a group setting.

Right. And as you mentioned, Ken stress can be somewhat challenging, especially if you’re pushing yourself. And that’s kind of the cool part is that it can be as hard or as easy as you want to make it. And that’s what makes it great as far as customizing it to each particular need for an individual. So people like to suffer in a group. And so I just try to provide that opportunity drew. I tried, I tried to, I try to push people as hard as I can in class. So when they go home and do this stuff, it’s not nearly as bad. Right. Then they just kind of have to maintain things, uh, away from the studio.

Okay. So quick question about, um, applying this and just, you know, two or three quick tips for, you know, my listeners here, because obviously they can’t really see what can stretches unless they send it for a class, which we’ll kind of get into that later, how to find the construct class in your area. But what are some, what are like some, two or three basic movements can stretch style that people could start doing? You know, pre-workout, instead of your traditional, you know, dynamic stretching, our static stretching pre you know, pre-workout obviously it depends on what you’re going to do, right? If you’re lifting heavy weights versus, you know, doing Zumba, I would assume it’s different, but is there anything that, you know, two or three things that people can, that you could, that would make a world of difference in people’s, you know, mobility and flexibility from a contrast perspective?

Absolutely. So one of the things that, that we really hang our hat on is again, challenging range of motion. So I mentioned that word earlier, cars controlled articular rotations. That’s one of the key principles in the kin stretch system. And all that is, is, is moving each and every joint to its fullest capacity. And you would be surprised at how few people really understand how much or how their shoulder can move. And that’s where we’re, we’re kind of limited here without, without video instruction and being able to see some of this stuff. But of course, the wonderful world of social media and Instagram and Facebook and all that people can, can look up that word and at least get a feel for what some of this stuff looks like. But you can move every single joint in your body in less than five minutes in its full range that you have available.

Right? So I’m not talking workout, I’m not talking, pre-post, I’m talking, you wake up and it’s like, brushing your teeth. The first thing you do is you move each and every joint of your body, right? So if you remember what we were talking about before, about the true efficiency of the body, uh, and that use it or lose it principle, right. If I’m not pushing it, if I’m not challenging it, I’m going to lose it. Right. There’s no such thing as homeostasis for the body, either I’m going up or I’m going down, there’s no just kind of floating in the middle, right? So if, if, if somebody will get up every single day and I’m not even talking break a sweat here and just move every single joint in their body, and this is where the devil is in the details, right? So that sounds easy enough.

I’m going to circle this way. I’m going to circle that way. You know, if somebody can gloss over this and lose the magic of this, this simple movement, right. And that’s where it’s, it’s beautifully simple. Uh, but somebody could say, Oh, you’re just doing this. But when applied correctly, then I challenge all of that metabolic energy that I was talking about, the nerves, the receptors that, the blood, all of that in a joint in less than five minutes, that’s probably the biggest takeaway, uh, that somebody could do on a daily basis and make a profound change. Not only in their, in their performance, just, just how they feel from day to day. Right. If, if people would just move every single joint in their body a couple of times a day, Oh my goodness. It’d be like going back to, you know, monkey times and we’re all slipping off trees.

That’s funny. I just, so while you were explaining that I was just removed every joint in my body, uh, just while you were explaining like, Oh yeah, I can do that really quick. I’m not like doing pushups when I’m doing squats. I’m just moving it. Right. Every which way possible. Um, which is interesting. It isn’t that hard. It’s something that’s super simple, but thank you for recommending that and suggesting that, um, cause that’s even something that I can do, you know, I can, uh, cause usually, you know, you wake up, you kinda, you walk a little bit to the bathroom or to the kitchen, you know, and that’s, you know, you’re moving a few joints, but to move every single joint, your body, I like that, that idea of, uh, you know, use it or lose it. So hopefully that’s something that people can take away. Was there anything else you were gonna mention or was that just

well, and that’s just to, to kind of add onto it is, is even without any instruction you were able to do that in the, in the few minutes that I was blabbing on.

Okay.

Right. So it’s, it’s not super hard, you know, if we went in, detailed it out and say, Oh yeah, look, your shoulder can and, and should move like this. Oh my gosh. I never even knew that. Right. So you can come in and detail some of that stuff out, but it’s not hard and it doesn’t take long and it makes a profound difference. So if people would just do that, Oh my gosh, it would make my job so much easier. It’s it’s, like I said, it’s really bad for business because we actually teach people how to do this, but Oh my gosh. That would be a great problem to have if, if people would just use move more.

Yeah. Have you ever seen the Instagram account? Uh, gymnastic bodies? Um, I can’t remember the coach of the U S mint. Yeah.

Because I just feel really bad about myself.

Okay. You too. You too. Okay, good. And I’m not the only one because I see these people holding like these weighted barbells and they, their, their arms are close together and they can go straight up with a bar all the way down to their back without dislocating their shoulders. But they’re so they’re, I guess a great example of what you would see if someone applied these principles where they can, can do these amazing things with their bodies, with mobile, the proper mobility and flexibility and mobilization, um, without injuring themselves. And, you know, we think, Oh, well, you know, that’s just for special gymnastic people. Right.

Right. And the, and that’s a good thing. We jumped to that conclusion and, you know, I’ve actually done some, some research in some initial training in the, in the, in the gold metal bodies system. Um, and the, the training that’s involved to achieve that is, is very, very detailed and very in depth. And these and these athletes have worked for many, many years to be able to achieve that. And sometimes that can be daunting, you know, how many people do, you know, that would just be happy if they could get off the couch without, you know, creaking and need, you know, six people to help build off of it. You know, sometimes, you know, the coolness of that stuff is great to see, but sometimes it works against us as far as motivating the people to get off the couch or, um, you know, to just try the basic stuff, you know, just move your head in a big circle, you know, rather than look straight forward or look down at your damn phone.

That’s so true. Yeah, man, that’s, that’s super great advice cause it’s nothing too technical. It’s, it’s nothing, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s simple, right? It’s, it’s simple things that you can do. And I am a big fan of what you do with stretch and I really do hope that it catches on. So, um, how does one get certified in Ken stress to become a kin stretch teacher? Is there a certification you’ve got to go through? Uh, do you have to go somewhere to, for that? You take it online, just curious.

Yeah. Yeah. There, there is. So, um, dr. Spina has a training series in multiple different things. What you have to do first is go to functional anatomy, seminars dot Tom, right? That’s dr. Spina, his website, functional anatomy, seminars.com, and a person has to become what’s called functional range conditioning certified, which is a, it’s a mobility specialist. First that certification is open to just about anybody. Um, you know, one of the brilliant things that dr spina is doing is, is reaching out to personal trainers and coaches. And I think that’s fantastic because I think there’s been a huge disconnect between, um, the, the world of the physician, whether it be physical therapists, Cairo, um, you know, osteopath, whatever it might be and a personal trainer, right. And quite often personal trainers get a bad rap. It’s just kind of the muscle head who took a weekend certification and, you know, it has big guns, so they must know what they’re doing.

So I’m going to pay that guy $75 an hour to count my reps. Right. Um, but this actually gives some very, very in depth training. So you have to become functional range conditioning certified first. Now FRC for short is simply the one-on-one personalized version of a kin stretch group class. So the methodologies and the principles that you use, you learn in the FRC course when you learn, when you get you. So you have to be FRC certified, then you can take the kin stretch course, which is simply just teaching those principles to a group class, knowing how to cue the proper, Hey, push here, pull here. It should feel like this move over here. It’s mostly just the queuing, but one should already understand how to apply the principles from their previous training from that FRC training.

Yeah, no, that’s super interesting because I feel like, you know, back in the day I got certified as a personal trainer and that I knew everything, but in reality, I do believe there’s a disconnect and there wasn’t a lot of training as far as, you know, functional, uh, mobility, uh, or, you know, being functionally fit. Wasn’t really around back when I became, or it wasn’t that important or it wasn’t stressed a whole lot back in 2009 when I became certified as a personal trainer. But I do see that shift now where people are learning or trying to learn how to be more functionally fit. So functional movements that our bodies were designed to do, right. Like instead of just, you know, bench, press and bicep curls, we put a lot of our, our, um, uh, you know, that’s what we, we want to be good at. But in reality, our bodies were designed to do different things, which is functional. So I really do. I think that’s a great idea that he’s reached out to personal trainers and maybe I could get connected with him in some way to see if I can help promote that because, um, I’m all about, um, trying to spread that movement of getting people, to getting people to be more functionally fit.

Yeah. And that’s what it comes down to is awareness, right? Awareness inspires change. And if people just aren’t aware of a better way or a different way, or how to connect to somebody, um, you know, and quite often I think trainers and certainly no offense to anybody out there, and this is a generalization, but quite often trainers are in a, in a difficult position because a person will come in and say, Hey, I want to look like you. Right. I’ve chosen you because you have that bad-ass tattoo on your arm and you’ve got huge guns. And that’s what I want to be. You must know how to give it to me. Let’s go,

right. That’s so true.

$100 bills to get me there. Right. And how easy is it? Um, you know, for somebody to just climb a board and do that. When, if, if the, if the trainer had a little bit more education, they would be able to say, Hey, now hold up just a second. What you really need is for your ankle to be able to pull back towards your shin Dorsey, flection enough, that you can actually drop your hips down to perform the squats and whatever else that are going to be required for you to get to that point. Right? So let’s, let’s try to make sure that you can actually be a human being first and move around like a normal human being before we have you slinging around these weights. Right? So it’s, it’s fantastic the approach. And I would highly advise anybody out there, but especially trainers to check out functional anatomy, seminars.com and the FRC, the FRC, um, seminars are all over the United States and even internationally as well.

Awesome, man. That’s great. So if people want to, you know, find a construction class in the area, I’m guessing they would just Google constricts classes or, um, is that what they search for?

So on this very day that we’re talking right now, I don’t think that can stretch.com has launched, but I think it’s just about to launch. So that will be a great resource for people to be able to find, um, people that are trained, uh, it will be kin stretch.com. I think currently right now that functional anatomy seminars has a find a provider portion of the website, and there’ll be able to see people in their area and the training that they received from dr. Spina, whether it’s, um, the, the functional range conditioning can stretch. And some of it has other soft tissue release techniques. So right now, functional anatomy, seminars.com. And then I believe there was a little bit of a teaser today about the website being just about ready to launch, but kin stretch.com will be a fantastic resource for not only finding out where somebody can do those classes, but a little bit more about the, the program itself.

Awesome. And we’ll put all this in the show notes and who knows by the time this airs in a couple of weeks, it might be launched already. So people can go check that out now, where can people find you? Um, cause obviously you’re here in Utah, so I know your practice, the practice is called Cairo fusion. Um, talk a little bit about where people can find you online and your brick and mortar place and then the services you offer.

Sure, absolutely. So it’s, it’s just like you said, it’s Kira fusion Utah. So at C H I R O Cairo fusion, utah.com uh, Cairo at Cairo fusion, Utah on the Instagrams, the interface, all of that stuff. It’s, it’s pretty similar as Kira fusion, Utah I’m in South Jordan, the city South Jordan is our brick and mortar location. So we offer, um, you know, chiropractic services. But like I said, just a little bit different. We focus on soft tissue injuries, sports performance. Of course we work one-on-one with these functional range conditioning principles. And we also teach, you know, the Brazilian martial arts cop Weta, and we have weekly four times weekly kin stretch classes that we offer to the public.

Awesome, man. And we’ll put all this in the show notes, so people can find you a really quick before I let you go. Um, Chad, I just wanted to ask you a couple of quick questions. Um, just, you know, quick short answers, uh, what type of day routine do you follow?

I’m sorry, what was the question again?

What type of diet routine do you follow?

You know, I’m a keto guy.

Okay. So you’ve been here for a while or

I’ve been doing it for, for, for over two years. It absolutely changed my life. Um, I got a bonus baby out of it.

I’ve heard that’s one of the side effects of going Quito is

yeah. You know, out of the blue. So, you know, this dude was supposed to be here and keto helped them get here. So I do, I do the whole high fat, you know, buttered coffee, the whole nine yards, like, like put it in the veins kind of thing.

Gotcha. And what’s your favorite, what’s your favorite like to, you know, indulgence or cheat meal, whatever you want to call it?

You know, I’m a pizza guy.

Me too. We got a lot in common.

We’ve had, you know, how can you refuse? Um, I love it. I love a good, uh, a good thin crust if I can, but yeah, I’m a pizza guy.

Gotcha. And have you ever been overweight before?

You know, I, I don’t know if it was good genes or that I’ve just never stopped moving. Um, but I’ve been, I’ve been pretty lucky on that. You know, I, I broke my foot when I was a little younger and wasn’t able to move around a whole lot. So I kind of did the whole Jersey shore, just, you know, do some, do some, uh, bench press and some pearls and, and called it a day. But that would even then, that was enough to kind of keep my weight down. So I’ve been very, very fortunate to be, um, mostly uninjured I’m knocking on wood right now. Um, and I’ve been very, very interested in physical culture most of my life, uh, be at body weight or kettlebells or, uh, you know, barbell, weight training. So, um, the martial arts. So I’ve been very, very fortunate in that regard.

Gotcha man. No, I was just curious, you know, um, because if you ever want to try, if it’s fed to fit during you, just let me know if you ever want to experience it.

Does that mean all the pizza I can eat?

Yeah. For six months, at least,

I don’t know if my OCD brain would let me do that. Like to fall out of my protocol and my, I might, you might have to have a, a, you know, a therapist lined up for me to talk me through it and to coach me through it and just it’s okay. You know?

Exactly. No, that’s the thing it’s like, pizza gets old really quick. You think you would just love it every single day. I promise you, you would get sick of pizza. I did, at least I got sick of everything.

Well, maybe that’s what I need to do to kick the habit.

There you go. Just kind of, yeah. Like, you know, you hear people, you know, they kiss the kiss, their kids smoke and it’s like, all right, here’s a pack of cigarettes and make them the whole pack, make him smoke. The whole thing never touched a cigarette again. Right. Same kind of thing with pizza, maybe. No, I’m just kidding. Well, doctor Chad Adams, thank you so much for coming on, man. I appreciate your time and the knowledge that you spread, and I’m so grateful that you are in this industry, um, promoting health and wellness to the masses and, you know, doing your part in helping people, you know, make a transformation, not just physically, but mentally, emotionally as well. So I’m glad that we connected and thanks for coming on the podcast, man.

No, thank you. I had a blast and uh, yeah, this was fun. It was really fun. Thanks a lot.

Okay, man. We’ll have to have you go again on, in the near future. Anytime I’d love to. Alright, we’ll talk to you soon. Thanks brother.

Bye.

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