Alright. What’s up everybody? Welcome to the Fit to fat to fit experience podcast. I’m your host drew Manning from fit to fat to fit as many of you know my journey. I did a quite a while ago, five and a half years ago, where I intentionally gained 75 pounds as a personal trainer to get him better understanding of kind of what it was like to be overweight for the first time in my life. Totally changed my perspective about health and fitness. Totally changed my perspective on the industry and how I, how I help people now. And so in, in my podcast, what we do is we dive in with, uh, you know, professionals in the sports, fitness and nutrition industry, uh, to talk about their philosophies, but also bring the lessons that I learned from my experience to a real world unique perspective on health and fitness for your average person.

So today’s guests, you guys, Paul Gagnon. Now, many of you probably haven’t heard of Paul, but let me read you off some of his remarkable resume. So he’s a sports physiologist, strength and conditioning trainer, posture, ologists, uh, exercise kinesiologists and strength and conditioning consultant. So he has, he has a background and microbiology. He’s a, one of the very few trainers that NHL teams allow to rehab their hockey players who are injured and after they are, uh, operated on and he’s trying to consult with many different of the world’s, uh, athletes and all different types of sports such as Michelle Wie, uh, George Saint Pierre, Michael Campbell, and a bunch of other NHL hockey players. Um, and uh, he’s definitely knows what he’s talking about. Uh, in today’s episode we kind of dive into, uh, what a posture ecologist is cause I really didn’t understand what that meant, but he talks a lot about, you know, what your posture, looking at someone and what their posture can tell you about what type of athlete there’ll be.

We also get into his nutrition philosophies and I really, really like this guy’s advice on, on health and fitness, not just for your Olympic athletes or your, your elite athletes, but he makes it very applicable to your average person. So you’re going to learn a lot about, uh, nutrition and, um, exercise routines in this episode and learn how these Olympic athletes train, but also what you can do in your everyday life to, um, to apply these lessons that he’s learned from training these high end athletes. You guys, uh, I love his accent. You know, he’s got a cool French Canadian accent, uh, is very fun, um, guy to talk to. So I think you’ll really enjoy today’s episode. But before we get into today’s episode, our show sponsor is key gen X. Now can you do next is an exogenous ketone supplement company. They’re one of maybe four companies that create this type of a product that basically get your body into a state of ketosis within 60 minutes of taking it.

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Very good man. Very good.

And you’re joining us from Canada,

Montreal, Canada,

Montreal. Well, thank you so much, man. We can hear you loud and clear. Perfect. Hey, um, so really quick, the first question I want to dive into and because most people probably aren’t familiar with this term, but what is a posture ologists can you describe that to my followers and the basics of that?

Well, basically we’re specialists of the postural system. Uh, it’s a, it’s a science that’s been, uh, out in France, mainly South of France and in Canada for about 40 years. Uh, dr Brico, an orthopedic surgeon and also a doctors jump yet a neuroscientist, uh, invented that system through a lot of research with their colleagues. Mainly it was, uh, early on, mainly by doctors in hospitals. And then they funded, uh, the CS, it’s called, it’s the international college of the study of the static. Basically everything you do in postural with the postural system was measured with force plates, uh, to, to see the deviation caused by gravity, uh, on earth. We’re all affected by gravity. And then if you have any abnormal, so elicitation or abnormal, uh, position through gravity, you’re going to have problems. You’re going to end up with a lot of injuries. This is why number one reason why people stop working out after six to eight weeks when they start a new program is that their postural system is not adapted yet. And would athletes, I have worked mainly with professional and Olympic athletes. That’s the number number one key to measure and also to modify. The good news is not only postural ologists, we don’t only measure, uh, all the criteria of normality for a postural system. But also we give exercise and techniques to modify it to make it a lot more adequate under gravity.

Okay. So let me ask you this cause this is very interesting stuff and I definitely believe in what you’re saying. Um, so you talked about high end athletes. Obviously you look them over, you look at their posture and certain movements. What about your kids? Cause you have two kids, right?

I have one kid, but that’s a very good question drew, because the, the earlier the postural problems especially now are starting earlier than before because the kids, they don’t move as much. And one of the major component of the postural system is the feet. Uh, I don’t know if you’re familiar with all the data is, but there’s an epidemic of flattening of the feet. The last 30 years. Uh, before, before Vietnam war, you were not allowed to be in the armed forces if you had flat feet. Uh, actually my dad got his life saved, uh, during world war II, world war II because he had flat feet. And in Canada they thought we were very brave and he used to send their soldier on the roofs in London to shoot German planes would adjust regular shotgun. And within a couple of weeks all his battalion were gone. But my dad was stuck in Montreal to do more like paperwork cause he had flat feet. But now since Vietnam war, the, at the remove that thing in the armed forces in Canada and the U S cause there’s an epidemic, uh, there’s over 35 to 40% of the population who have flat feet now.

And what do you attribute, what do you attribute that to?

Uh, sitting down more than before, but also the running shoes. See the, the, the, the companies wanted to do very well the, they put artificial arches in the shoe to create support. But like any sports shoe, uh, you’re, you’re supposed to wear them. When you do a sport like running shoes is mainly when you run, you don’t wear your golf spikes or your skates or your ski boots throughout the day without consequences, but it became a fashion. Then kids very young used to wear these artificial arches. The problem is like in the body, if your support too much a tissue, it will, if you remember in the seventies eighties and nineties guys hitting the gym used to wear these huge weightlifting belts, but as soon as they either shoveled snow or play with their kids, they used to pull out their back without the support of these big belts.

Now, luckily a lot of research told us, Hey guys, don’t do that because it’s bad for your back and it’s are an artificial support. Women with the in the medieval time to use to wear these corset as soon as they remove the core set, everything hung out because the body works like that. If you’re supported artificially too much, it will shut down. It will let it loose. Same thing with the feet, but the problem with defeat is that nothing on there stays up with the base of support we have. We’re an average five times longer than our base of support. Our feet, anything in your room that is five times longer than the support. If you let it go, it’s going to fall down. We don’t fall down because the skin, the skin of the feet are very, very sensitive to pressure. Those are really our computer.

This is what directs you in space. Then if you numb them with souls or too much arches aren’t support, your foot loses the ability basically to sense as a sensor. That’s why in population where people, they walk bare feet a lot. I had the chance to work with a lot of sprinters. I had a clinic in Jamaica for 16 years and in Jamaica the Jamaicans living more near the beach or in the countryside at a way better posture and balance. Then the same Jamaicans living in Kingston or Montego Bay wearing shoes all day. And it was basically an adaptation of like urban adaptation of the cement and also hard floors and support of the arches. Anything you support will collapse. And there’s a big consequences as we know. If you have flat feet, you, you could create more archers in your lower back. Uh, you’re going to have more inter internal rotation of the knees also at the hip.

And it creates a lot of, a lot of big, big problems to the point, like I told you earlier, that you’re not allowed to be in the armed forces. If you had flat feet, you knew it would make very bad soldiers. That’s so interesting. So what are some solutions like buying zero drop shoes, flats shoes with no artificial arches? Is that what you’re saying would be a good solution? The key, the keys to start very young, because if you, like I always tell people, if you have a young, young baby, start to brush the sole of the foot when you give them a bats, the same little brush we use for their heads. Uh, we use that under the feet to activate, make them walk bare feet as much as as they can. I mean, in Canada it’s harder because of the weather, but in, in the house, uh, we even have these little, uh, cobblestone mats, make them play in sandbox.

Uh, makes them walk in the, in the grass as much as you can. And also indoor, uh, walking with small, small as, as less support as possible and as you get older and also there’s exercise you could do, but if your feet are already the formed, uh, because of, of inactivity or too much shoe support, then you need to see a good podiatrist. Uh, because to correct it, but I’m talking about the real podiatrists that will put a cast, not a foam box to take a measurement problems in Canada, in the U S a lot of people are making orthotics, but they are not podiatrist, doctor of the foot. And that’s the biggest, that’s the big issue issue. Also, we have a panoply of very, a lot of different exercises, especially when you deal with young athletes, even teens, you could give them a lot of exercise to create more arches.

A one tip is just to lift your big toe up every time you squat or every time you launch, every time you move by lifting the big toe, it neutralize, it brings the subtalar joint who’s the steering wheel of your foot more aligned and that’s why also a lot of people when they do Olympic weight lifting, they will buy these shoes, Olympic weightlifting shoes because of the heel lift of five and eight inches. We’ll create an artificial arch to will help to support too because as a, as a trainer, you all witnessed like when someone who has valgus feet, meaning internal rotation or a flat foot one day squat, they will tend to open their feet and go on their tip of your dirt toes. He cannot keep their heels down and the lean excessively forward and their knees buckle in. That’s the first sign of a internal, too much internal rotation.

Basically a flat foot is too much valgus. It’s like a valgus foot, meaning collapsed arches level three. And the problem is that most feet are not equal. Most people, the left and the right foot will not flatten equally. And that’s a problem that creates a lot of rotational pivots. When someone squats, not only the knee will buckle in, but also the hips will shift and the pelvis will move and not in a same way. And that’s the danger of doing these exercise without proper guidance and re creating a better posture and also a battery, better balance at the foot.

Gotcha. Okay. So getting back to the kids, obviously getting them to run around and walk around as much as possible with bare feet. Is there anything, anything else you could suggest for kids to help improve their posture other than that?

Well, I mean a lot of them bare feet will do a great, great job. Uh, the more outdoor they are too. If the weather permits, we’ll help their postural cause. Also another aspect of the postural system is the eyes. The muscle of your eyes are very, very sensitive and they will help you to position yourself in space. If you’re always indoor on screens or on the phone or a very short distance from your eyes, they become very lazy. People forget that our eyes are mainly an adaptation with the muscles they were there when we hunt, when we move. Also to avoid predators. Uh, when we’re in the wild and we don’t have that anymore. And, and eye coordination is getting bad now a lot worse than it was because kids are using too much close to their face, uh, screens and over the white light doesn’t help.

Also, it shuts down the muscle of your eyes and that’s the bad part. Wa playing games, outdoor being in the sun in the snow helps a lot the muscle and stimulate the muscle of your eyes. Uh, there’s also many exercise but this, especially in the States in Canada, you would need to see a North top. This a lot of time. Uh, it is a specialist of the muscle of the eyes. A lot of time, uh, optimal optometrists or formed as a or top test or doctors of the eyes and they will prescribe you exercise to improve your posture and also athletic performance. All my athletes, they all do extensive eye exercises.

Yeah, that’s awesome man. I know that’s a great cause as you’re talking about this. I’m sitting here and you know, hunched over, kind of leaning to one side and as soon as you started talking about posture, I’m like, okay, I got no shoes on. I’m trying to stand up straight. And it’s funny how when you talk about it, it’s, it’s important but it’s so easy cause you, if you’ve gone 30, 40 years of your life without focusing on good posture, uh, you know, or just starting with your feet, you don’t really think about it. You’ve gotten to the point where you’re just kind of lazy and it just kind of becomes second nature, right.

Exactly. What you don’t use, you’ll lose. Also just sitting, sitting on a regular Swiss ball will help you a lot. Uh, uh, bare feet sitting on a Swiss ball. Sometime they have these, what we call Shakti mat. They’re low in math with spikes. They’re very cheap. They’re like a little yoga mat. You could roll up, you could buy them on Amazon for about $30. And they’re, they have little mini spikes. It looks like mini golf spikes by standing on them. Even sitting at the beginning, standing on them. It’s, it’s kind of annoying, a bit. It kinds of hurt. But after a while you get used to it. But a lot of my clients and my athletes, when you do paperwork or do you have to do stuff on their computer, or even if you even want to play video games, uh, they’ll put their feet on it.

It helps a lot to activate all the receptors of your feet, edit, increase your balance, uh, also training with, uh, when you, when you do very low impact training using the Vibram five fingers shoes. Very, very good. If you couldn’t separate the toes, that’s the best way to improve balance. Again, don’t get me wrong, don’t go sprint with these things. Don’t do plyometrics or weightlifting. Cause I’ve seen people and they add fractured. They create a lot of a shin splints and a lot of problems. If you’re not used to it. If all your life you were bare feet, there’s no problem. But if you’re just starting all, I hired a guy from Canada, I’m going to start your job. You don’t get in trouble just like anything. You start with the basic standing on one leg, eyes open, eyes closed, tried to lift each toes, try to rotate side to side on your feet with one all toes up. This is way better than any balance device. Eyes open, eyes closed then any you could, you can invent until you do that. You could stand on one leg, all toes up, eyes closed. Uh, I, and you’ll see. Then you’re ready to do it for the next level with movements and stuff like that.

Yeah, that’s, that’s so interesting because I remember when I moved here to Hawaii, I live on the big Island right now and I moved here about seven, eight months ago from Utah. And when it first moved here, I’m like, okay, I’m going to go run on the beach every, every morning. And I did, but the first week or two, my feet were killing me cause I wasn’t used to running barefoot in the sand. And it took me a good two or three weeks to adjust and I’m like, man, I had no idea my feet were that out of shape. But um, it’s uh, it’s made a big difference now, you know,

especially if you surf, if you do a lot of surfing, it’s will help a lot. Surfing is one of the best exercise also for balance of the feet because you’re with the water and very unstable. Like my son was a pretty high level skateboarder and uh, I mean the, the, the, it helps a lot. Anything that you will use, especially surfing without any, uh, any footwear and also running on the beach. If you go back to Utah and you ski, your ski boots will feel like so easy. Skiing movement will be more balanced, will improve and you’ll, you’ll feel like your feet grew. They didn’t, it’s just a surface that you’re balanced. Surface is bigger than it was for me that I work mainly with pro hockey players and skiers. It’s super important because the sport needs to close them the foot and that’s the problem. But outside of the outside of the ski Hill or outside of the arena, we need to spend a lot of time working on the ankles and the foot receptors makes a big, big difference, uh, for my athletes.

That’s awesome. Yeah, I, I’ve been, I’ve been trying to get into uh, uh, surfing, I just haven’t started yet, but I did do stand up paddle boarding, which is just as hard. My feet are getting like a killer workout, just trying to balance doing the standup paddleboarding. But let’s shift gears here a little bit and I want to talk about your nutrition philosophy. Cause you’ve been in this industry for a long time. You’ve worked with a lot of professional athletes, Olympic athletes. How have you seen nutrition evolve over the past 10 to 20 years? And what was your philosophy back then with the old science and where are you at now with kind of the newer science?

Well, I was, um, because of my background, I’ll be 55 years old soon, but I was on the national, the wrestling team for Canada and pretty high level hockey players too. And back then was really a lot of supplements, uh, like um, from that weeder era fitness and muscle me like everybody, tons of protein and tons of supplements. And with science, especially with guys like Dr. Ray Pete Ray helped us a lot, easy bio chemist and also teacher, uh, I think is Oregon state. And he did a lot or there’s a lot of guys like Barry Sears that wrote the zone and many other doctors that’s found like what we were using was very pro inflammation. Basically hour for a, uh, not only we called us posture ecologists but also, uh, performance physical preparators that’s the real term. Like PPT. And uh, we, we love, we, we liked that term cause in Europe, uh, physical prep is very well known in the U S it’s more strength coaches.

But what we do is beyond strength is more physical prep. If you’re a surfer, you’re a marathon runner, you’re a skier. I’m able with science to prepare you for your, your event. That’s why I like better the, the performance prepper of physical prep, a PPP a term and basically the, the new Aero is more fat now and less less sugar. Uh, using a lot of different herbs and also like a turmeric and ginger to anything that will fight inflammation. Uh, like bone broth. We use that. We go back a lot now. Like we used to eat about a hundred 150 years ago instead of eating like a piece of meat, put it with veggies, let it simmer for five, six hours. And you will see that on the big Island, the traditional wine diet, the simmer stuff. For years I just came back from Japan and everything is prepared like that, especially in the mountain.

I wasn’t as, I won’t go near Akita and they, it’s very traditional and they cook stuff for hours and all the research I’ve shown when you do that, you don’t need to take supplements. You have like, uh, all the minerals and the vitamins cause it’s all interlink with the minerals of the veggies and you don’t have to consume too much meat like that. You will take the parts of the meat that they’re not as good because you need a lot of collagen and cartilage like we used to eat. And this is the key. All my athletes that they follow this, this philosophy of, uh, a little, uh, a little higher good quality fat like coconut oil, grass fed butter mix with, uh, again, no trans fatty acid. You don’t want to use trans fat very, very, very bad for you. And also not too much vegetable oils.

People forget that vegetable oils don’t exist. It doesn’t come from a vegetable. It’s all from nuts or grains, but you don’t have cucumber oil or you don’t have tomato oil people. It’s a bad term. It’s mainly seeds and nuts and it has to be eaten and very, very, very small amount because it creates a lot of, uh, it creates a lot of inflammation. Inflammation is the enemy for any disease from heart disease, uh, T Rowe and atherosclerosis. It’s been researched now, it’s not even a debate that the number one is almost 16 Siri active protein level in your blood will be a huge marker, way more than cholesterol to two to create heart disease and it’s the biggest killer in in modern world. This is what we attack. Also for me, because I work mainly with pro athletes, I want them to be able to perform and recover better. Basically. Uh, we don’t use any flowers cause flower is really, really high. It’s as nothing to do with gluten, although there’s some research, it’s mainly most flowers or pro inflammation and also we use mainly root vegetables for carbs, a lot of green vegetables, low glycemic index fruits when we, when we can and high fat and very, very good source of protein. But again, like I said earlier, protein cooked with other things to create that synergy on nutrients.

Yeah, I heard another talk that you were talking to someone or an interview that you were talking with someone about about the slow cooked meats and how important that is for the enzymes. Can you talk a little bit about that? And so basically what you’re saying is instead of using the microwave to, to cook your meat, uh, use, um, like a crackpot for example.

Exactly. Like it’s a lot easier. And like you said, you said the keyword group, it’s enzyme. It’s not, it’s not what you eat. It’s what you absorb. And without proper enzymatic, uh, balance in your body, you will eat, eat. That’s why you see people, they eat, like they’re going to the electrical chairs like their last meal and the, they never put on any good size or they just look at food and you become fat. It’s a bad enzymatic, a balance. Some people, they’re always craving, they’re always hungry when you do the measurements of certain enzymes, uh, especially their digestive enzymes and also in the, in the gut, all their microbiotic flora and probiotics and prebiotics is very, very low. And that’s a big, big problem. We have, uh, like in a while you will see a lot of people we eat papaya, papayas, very good enzyme cause it’s a Pepane, uh, pineapples.

Organic pineapple is bromelain. It digests 300 times its weight in protein, same as Pat Payne. And those are really good to mix with meat and protein. There are about actually the only two fruits that, uh, we, we like to mix, especially when you have access where you are to these fresh, uh, organic fruits that are grown with the sun, not only in the indoor like we have here in Canada, but again, the key, you just said it enzymatic balance. If you do that and also not eating too much, all the researchers in the world, if there’s one thing they get all along from the high carb to low fat, the high fat, it’s all, it’s all calorie restriction with high quality food in Japanese, in Okinawa, where do you live? Very, very long. They call it [inaudible]. It means in Japanese, uh, leaving the table about 50% full.

And that’s, that’s, that’s the key people, they eat way too much for their energy expenditure. We’re not lumberjacks anymore. We don’t, we don’t work that hard outside of the gym. And we have to be very, very careful about if we have a good balance and enzymes in a good food process. We eat organic food or own grown. I hate the word organic because I mean, we should not put a label on my product that I have in my garden. The companies, they should put chemically enhanced food by D did with the package of cigarette, put these cancer lungs on it say to truth, it’s a GMO and S eh, I mean you have to put it on because the price will go down and it’s sad to put a label of organic, uh, on a food that it’s not touched. It’s not my fault. If the farmer wants to make more money and he puts like all of these chemicals that are very, very nasty for my body and also, uh, cancer production. It’s been proven now. And you should, they should pay the price for that. I mean, the guy that, you know, it in Hawaii, there’s a lot of organic gardens, a lot of Oregon and it’s very expensive to do that, but it’s worth it. You don’t eat as much. And also, but they deserve not to be taxed extra to put that label on. And the other one that did the cheat, they should put the label. They should have to put a label or warning on that our food is chemically or antibiotic in that sense.

That is, I think that is super smart cause it should be mainstream, the organic, the natural or the the correct way of growing your fruits and vegetables. Whereas the ones that are using pesticides and herbicides and antibiotics, those are the ones that should pay for the labeling saying chemically enhanced man. That’s a great idea. Um, and I, and I love that. Um, let’s, let’s talk a little bit about um, athletes versus your average Joe. Cause you talked, you talked a little bit about calorie restriction and doctors, you know, for the most part I agree with that as far as longevity, right? Living a long healthy life calorie restriction is the way to go, but obviously your high end athletes, they need to fuel their bodies. They’re trying to grow muscle, become leaner, faster, stronger. Um, let’s talk about like, uh, a macro nutrient breakdown for your athletes versus your average Joe that sits down all day but goes to the gym for 45 minutes.

Yeah, I mean basically, basically again, like I said to, to fight inflammation, you, you need to fight acidosis. And uh, all my athletes, they start today with first of all, a lot of pure water, but also they’ll take a warm water with lemon as a starter. That’s, that’s a daily thing. We prefer in the morning a higher protein type of breakfast to stabilize the blood sugar. Uh, like they’ll have a good egg omelet, but mainly with a lot of veggies. They could put a bit of organic meat in it, but no very low carbs in the morning and a higher fat content with coconut oil or an avocado in it. That’s a great breakfast for, for my athletes. Uh, sometime they will use smoothies, but using, uh, like gelatin, there’s a lot of companies now making very good organic gelatin. Dr Axe and Bulletproof, they make some and many companies now and it’s pretty cheap.

Uh, they use the parts of the animals that you don’t want to know or eat. They put it in powder, but it’s great. It’s the same, as I said earlier, when you simmer basically the new trend of having like eating the, the animal from the tail to the head, and like we used to do in the old days, we never, uh, we didn’t spoil anything. We took everything from the animal, from the hood, the skins to make something out of it. And basically gelatin and powder, that’s what they use. It’s very high in collagen and it really absorbed to see if a protein is effective as a supplement. If your nails and your hair grows faster than normal, it means your body absorbs it. I remember 25 years ago when I started to take the powder gelatin powder within a month, my nails grew so much and even my wife who was a real blonde before, but now she’s not anymore.

After three months, she wanted, she was not that happy because she had to go to the hairdresser a lot more often to get her or mesh done to her or laid blonde hair. And that’s a good sign. Your hair and your nails are pretty much the barometer of your body when they’re very healthy. Uh, you will see that your body is absorbing all the nutrients. Uh, post-workout we like to use, this is where the key, the main key is going to have a little more carbs. You want to spike up your insulin a bit, but not too much. Pure sugar. I will go more with roots. Vegetables would a good source of protein. Always a lot of liquid. In Canada. We’re very lucky. We use a lot of maple water as a, um, as a supplement. Uh, coconut water in Hawaii will be very, very effective because you have a good source in Canada, in U S sometime it’s kind of pasteurized and it’s kind of hard to get the real deal.

That’s why we use more maple water. Uh, organic coffee is very good for your athletes. Uh, helps a lot, uh, to use more fatty acids when you train. Also great for your brain, but organic only you got the great Kona coffee, you got many brands in a while. You’re very fortunate to have it. We use arrow press, we use audio, we use different style but as long as it’s organic, the beans like the cocoa beans, coffee beans are really heavily spray sprayed cause it’s a very expensive crop. Then all the fat, all the pesticides are in the fat. And if you’re like espresso coffee then you’ll get a very high dose of, of pesticide. But my athletes, they like two or three coffee a day but short like espressos or Aero press, uh, mixed with fat. They like to mix it with a bit of butter or we used to use that about 30 years ago based on research in Tibet.

They used to have these very dark black tea with YAG butter and it enhanced and it increased your brain. Uh, it helps a lot with concentration. It concentrate. The caffeine also and all the nutrients of the coffee bean helps a lot to be transported through with the fat. And this is basically and at night this is where a little higher carb tends to feed a little more my athletes because a lot of time they will train in the morning. And all the research I’ve shown for lean muscle. If you eat a lot of protein in the morning and three quarter protein at lunch and a lot more carbs at night, but I’m not talking about pasta, I’m talking about like root vegetables and no breads, no flour. You will tend to store in a lot more muscle because of the, um, the insulin levels are more efficient in the evening to prepare you.

And also higher carb will help you to sleep better. We’ll put you to a better, uh, helps secrete more, uh, a trip to feign that will help you a lot to shut down, uh, your nervous system of especially the sympathetic system that’s, it’s on go, go, go, go. And again, water. All my athletes, they drank about three to four liters a day, but a pure [inaudible] in between meals. I don’t want my athletes to drink with meals. It’s, it’s not very efficient. It becomes a, we need extra cellular water and has to be drunk drinking like at least half an hour before a meal. That helps a lot to hydrate all the fascia and to make all the truants very, very mobile and lubricate and lubricated.

That’s interesting. I’ve never heard of that drinking in between meals and not at meals, but I kind of make sense. I get what you’re, what you’re talking about there. That’s, and then going over to the carbs at night versus the morning. That used to be the opposite back in the day. Like don’t eat cars past 7:00 PM because they’ll turn straight to fat.

No, if you train, that’s where athletes mainly. But also they did, they did research on obesity. Uh, and they put people on the high protein in the morning. Three like kind of high protein for lunch and pre high carbs at night. I’m talking about not quantity, not five bags of potato. Again, we go back to our first, first you need to eat, you need to feel your hunger. Uh, I met a Japanese researcher many years ago and in his research, do you know when we, uh, secrete the most, uh, antioxidant in our body is when we have the growling of the stomach. It’s a sign. Most people, they don’t weight that their stomach Rawls to eat. It’s almost like going to the bathroom and waiting for something. You need your, we have receptors in our bladder and our colon that tells us, listen, you need to go to the bathroom.

But same thing in our stomach, we have enzymatic, uh, involvement that and also like alerts that tells us by growling of the stomach that Hey, we need food. But if you always eat over on digested food, it putrefies one, one thing I always tell my athletes and my clients, if you have gas, something is wrong. You’re not. And if you need to evacuate the, the, the house, if you, when you go to the bathroom, something is wrong. It should be very, you know what I mean? It’s not, that’s the problem. It’s, and I see it when my athletes are very, the eat very well for their body. I mean their sweat almost smells nice. Everything. The, the, the body odor smells nice when there is, uh, when you putrefying body, you create a lot of ammonia and also solve fry sulfur, right? Uh, by products. And you smell it in the, in the, uh, uh, in the sweat and also what comes out of your body. And that’s not normal.

That is interesting. That’s, that’s a great first sign or test for people to be like, okay, I need to change something cause it shouldn’t be smelling like this. Right?

No. And also after a meal you should have energy. You should not feel like I’m going to have to go to bed. Uh, when you put a gas in your car, you don’t have to let it lie on the side of the road to wow on all. No, you have energy. Food is energy. That’s why I love, uh, I studied a lot under Ray. Pete is his, uh, his website is pretty amazing. It’s kind of hard to understand cause there’s a lot of bio chemical biology research, uh, one little article. It’s like five pages, but it’s worth it to, to really know the base of all, do we create energy at the cellular level in the mitochondria? And it’s, that’s very interesting.

Oh that is interesting. Um, so we’re kinda coming up on time here, but really quick, one of the questions I had for you, cause you talked about this earlier about supplements, right? 20 years ago it was all supplements, you know, it was a new thing, whereas now it’s so saturated. And I think you kind of agree with me. Supplements aren’t, aren’t a magic pill, they’re not the key to your success. But there are some places where maybe some supplements would benefit like a professional athlete or someone trying to lose weight. But if, if you did recommend any supplements, which ones would you think would be the most beneficial or the most bang for your buck in today’s society?

But what I like is very close to the, um, the body nature. Like, uh, I was introduced to a CEO about five years ago and it’s basically salt water, uh, wood eight electrical compound. And it’s, it mimics almost like, uh, uh, the, the water from the waves, basically water as, I mean, our bodies made 77, 78%. And it’s basically a redox molecule. Uh, the, what we, uh, in, in our body is the connection between the cells and what we found with a C a product. It increase that connection in between the cellular system. Uh, basically when you’re five years old, if you bang your knee, you’re going to have a little bruise. Uh, you’re going to heal very, very quickly because in between the cells, there’s a very, very quick connection. As we get older, it tends to take longer because we you, we lose that connection.

Basically what we found, that’s why all we’re athletes taking a CEO to recovery is way faster and also the level of L glue to tie on. It’s not in the product. In a good product, drew is what it’s going to increase your own product in your body. We have everything in our body to sustain very long. All the research I’ve shown we should be on earth for about 120, 125 if we activate properly. What we have in a good supplement will create an environment for your own Elle glue to tie on or antioxidant to get delivered in your body. Not the opposite. Like anything on earth. If you take caffeine pills, you’ll have the jitter. If you take a good coffee like organic, you will not have the jitter because with all the enzymatic and all the, uh, the, the, it’s like a collaboration in between all the cells.

You will feel better, you will have more energy, but it’s your own energy that you increase. It’s not from external. And this is the key. That’s why basically I only use a CEO. I used to have like two or three calls a year for the last five years. I may even have one. And not even, I mean I had cats allergy. We used a product in our eyes. A lot of my athletes, they use the gel, it’s called Renu 28. And it’s pretty interesting. And for me it’s, it’s proofed like for drug testing. Cause most of my athletes, they get drug tested and it’s just basically salt water. And I love it for that. It does the job of very high level for my high level athletes. And, uh, they, they all love it without having to take like tons of supplements and pills. Uh, sometime if you live in Northern hemisphere, some vitamin D three could, could help.

Some research has shown like in liquid, but outside of that we don’t really take anything else outside of Heath. You eat well one of the key component is to reduce an inflammation. It’s also bone broth people. We all my athletes, they buy these organic bones from chicken to uh, any type of like you got, you got beef this week. I made some lamb. You cook them for six, seven hours. You get the just the juice out, you keep it in the fridge and makes like a nice gelatin. It becomes a base for a lot of stuff you could eat. Like tonight. That’s what I’m having for dinner. My sons is in the playoffs in hockey. That’s where we’re going in the arena. He’s going to have a nice bone broth with a bit of veggies to prepare him for the game and would a bit of turmeric and a bit of ginger in it. Then that’s going to be an amazing meal. Is going to be all fueled up and hopefully he’s going to, he’s a goalie. He’s going to stop every puck that comes in,

so that’s awesome. So you’re a kid, you got your kid eating the same types of foods that you eat, right? You feel like you do your other athletes. Okay. Yup.

That’s very important.

Yeah, and I’m kind of the same mentality. I have two little girls, six and four and people are like, well, what do you do like do you, do they eat like the spinach and the kale, the broccoli? I’m like, yeah. If they don’t want any of what I eat, they’re going to go hungry. And to this day, I don’t know of any kid that has died from starving themselves of not eating the food their parents have in the house. Right. That just doesn’t happen

for them. I mean, our job as parents is to elevate them. It’s to help them to, to become better humans. And that’s the best gift we could give them is through nutrition. That’s the best gift to teach them how to cook and prepare food that’s there. In the old days, everybody was in the kitchen from the age of three, four or five years old. They all had to do something.

Yeah. That’s great. That’s great advice. And just getting back to the supplements that you mentioned, you know, I agree that most of the stuff, the nutrients and the vitamins, the minerals you can get from natural foods, natural sources, first and foremost. Um, and I think that sometimes people think, well, if I take this supplement, it’s going to help me out. It’s like if you can just change your habits first with you and change your relationship with food, that’s going to benefit you so much more in the long run. But for some people’s education, some people are like, well, what’s bone broth? Where do I buy that? Or, you know, turmeric or ginger, like, you know, those kinds of things aren’t in the Western diet. Right? They’re not in American diets.

Then, then then drew will put it on your blog. That’s not a problem. We’ll get the RAF tons of rest and I’ll send you, I’ve got tons of recipe. It’s gotta be my pleasure for, I mean that’s, we’re there for that. That’s why we’re on the phone today from Hawaii to Montreal. Our, our job is to help people make better choices. And, uh, we’ve been doing it for, I mean, me, I’ve been doing it for 33 years and uh, I, it’s fun. I see my young athletes and my older athletes and they perform good and they have fun. And my regular clients too, they, they, they train, they train like athletes and they need to recover. And that’s, that’s the key.

Okay. Um, just to wrap up here really quick, Paul, I just want to ask you some rapid fire questions that are kind of fun, um, and easy to answer them. We’ll just, then we’ll tell everyone where they can find you. But the first question I had is, um, what’s one supplement that is overused today that is so common that people can just get, get rid of, get you know that they don’t need to take?

Well, protein powders. It’s like most of it is like, wow, it’s like that. That’s the, and all these, these fat burners, please don’t, don’t, don’t, and for kids, please don’t take these. Like, I don’t want to name, but these energy drinks don’t do that. Like any type of, that’s, that’s, that’s brutal. But for the average Joe, protein powders are useless, you know, don’t, don’t use that. You’re wasting your money for that.

Gotcha. Yeah. Maybe

like the occasional smoothie here and there. Oh yeah. I mean, again, a supplement means that, let’s say you’re on the run, you’re rolling, you’re on the air, you’re, you’re going somewhere. It’s okay. But that’s why we call it a supplement. It’s not like your main, it’s not the main, it’s a supplement.

Okay. Um, have you ever been overweight in your life, Paul? Have you always been kind of in shape? Okay. So most people know me because of my fit to fat to fit journey. You know what I did and what I learned from it. And obviously it was crazy. So let me ask you this. I ask each guest on the show, would you ever do a fit to fat to fit your need, to show people that you could get back in shape as a challenge?

It’s very hard for me because I was a wrestler all my life. It’s very hard for me to put on. I’m, I’m kind of these, uh, we call that Brown fat freaks. Like I, I’m, I’ll be 55 soon. I have about like 6% body fat. Oh my God. I always like, and uh, I mean it’s, it’s kind of a very, but, uh, I mean, I guess it’s all the anaerobic training I’ve done when I was like, from the age of six years old to now. I still train like that and it’s, it would be, I tried for a certain type, like in my body building and it’s very hard for me to put on fat. I tried to get ice cream and stuff and I, I’d say almost impossible. It’s kind of, it freaks my wife’s out, but that’s kind of a part of my, my genetic.

Yeah. Well, you’re very lucky and very fortunate to have those types of genetics. Cause me, I grew up wrestling as well and I remember we would starve ourselves to make weight and then we had an hour to eat as much as we could before a match and my body retains so much. And so I, you know, for me it was easy to put on 75 pounds in six months, which was surprising. So that’s really interesting. So you’re saying even if you tried, you probably,

yeah, it was very hard for me to even move categories when I was wrestling. They had a hard time with it. I was putting on, I was putting on muscle, but it was, it was very hard to put on a lot of weight, like fat wise especially.

Okay. So let’s say, let’s say, let’s throw that out of the question, but let’s say when you do eat something that’s unhealthy, you splurge, it’s your birthday or a kid’s birthday or something. What’s one food that you know is not healthy that you’ll splurge on? Just because it tastes so good.

I mean, I always loved ice cream. Ice cream doesn’t like me that much cause I’m part native and native we don’t deal well with. But that would be like would be ice cream once in a while. But I you get like, you know it being an ex wrestler you get so used to feel good and have energy. And in our work, I mean dealing with high level athletes, I need to be on all the time and I’m not getting younger and I don’t like to, I think for me I have a very high respect to my body and nature. I spend so much hours and, and, and years. For me a good meal is like a nice sushi or a nice fish or something. Like it’s well prepared for me. I love good wine. We, I, I, I don’t drink a lot but I have like organic wine. I for me it’s like that I, my suppliers would be like a nicest wrestle coffee with at night with a nice bottle of wine or good organic meat mix. That’s for me, that’s the splurge.

Gotcha. Okay. That’s cool man. Okay. So you’ve worked with a lot of athletes who’s one athlete nowadays that you would just love to work with that you’re like, man, if I can help you out so much, who’s one athlete you would love to work with?

Oh, there, there are so many. I mean, I can’t, I can’t mention names man. But I mean it’s so like, it’s like there’s so many, uh, as a postural biologist, uh, I just started with a very, I can’t mention his name, but he’s very, very high prominent pro a hockey player that easy. And just in two session we already see a big difference. I had the chance to work with some of the top like MMA champs and, and it’s so much fun. Like again, when you understand really the postural system, you could help anyone and it’s so much like it would in one or two session you see the difference, uh, like you could make, especially in the NFL, the waiter trained, this is where we have them highest impact. Pretty much everything is sagittal plane and we, we, because of hockey as a, a lot of transfers playing, all resolvable playing. And changing direction. A lot of East centric movement and it’s all about timing because skating is very hard. When you adapt that system of training, uh, through throughout a competitive sport, you make a huge, huge impact.

Yeah. Okay. Um, last question. What is your

well, one guy to go read through answer now that tiger woods would be fine. I work, I work with the David Lee better golf Academy. I’m going there next week in Orlando and if there’s one guy that I know I could help would be tiger woods.

Thank you. Awesome. Okay, last question here. What’s one of your guilty pleasures, Paul? Like whether it’s a TV show, a series a, um, uh, an app on your phone, something where you just like let, let yourself unplug and not focus on anything. Is there a guilty pleasure you have?

I mean I, I work, I work so much that like I like to listen to music, but my, my number one guilty, I don’t feel like it’s guilty pleasure. I always listened to Howard stern for the last 25 years and I love that guy. No one makes me laugh as much as that. And I mean for me like it’s actually 29 years this year. And my wife, cause she doesn’t understand how much English or main language is French like most of us in Montreal. And she goes nuts. But she, she, she turns around cause she sees me cracking up all the time laughing with and she knows like he must be happy cause he’s Christ. She doesn’t have, she has no clue what they’re talking about. But this is my, again, it’s not even a guilty pleasure because I don’t feel guilty, but I love it.

Gotcha. I haven’t listened to him in like 10, 15 years maybe. I didn’t know he was still on

John serious. He’s on like a, that’s why I say, I mean for me, great interviews and amazing the delivery it gets me, I mean, you know, humor is very personal. Some people would like Don Rickles, others would like Sam Kinison summers. Um, so for me this is the kind of humor and also he’s a genius. He is his delivery, all he put up that, that kind of team. It’s amazing.

Awesome. Well. Thank you Paul, so much for coming on. Before we go, where can people find you? Connect with you on social media? So you’re, if you’re on social media and your websites,

my website is a postural sports Okay. And, uh, I mean, you have my, you could, you could give my email is, uh, Paul [inaudible] dot if you want directly. It’s the same on my website. You’ll have it all gone. You dot PSP for postural sports If you have any questions, uh, I’m very happy to answer.

Awesome. We’ll put that in the show notes. And then do you do social media, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, any of that or no?

Yeah, I’m on Facebook. I go everywhere. Like Instagram though, not much. We’re, we’re remodeling. I’m, I’m, I’m kind of the older school, but I have people in charge of that. Yeah. I don’t, I speak better than I write.

I don’t really get it. Social media is a different beast. It’s a different animal. It’s, it’s hard to know how to navigate through it, so I get it, man. But Paul, I just want to say thank you so much. I learned so much from you coming out and we’ll have to have you back on again in the future.

Anytime. Drew my pleasure, my pleasure. And it’s out here in Hawaii. You let me know. We’ll go surfing and I’ll let you know if you need my advice for your a TV show, you let me know and I’ll be very happy to, to put like the, the like, uh, some of my pro athletes through, uh, uh, torture. Well, thank you so much Paul. My pleasure. Drew will take you. Bye.

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