Hello. Hi everybody, and welcome to the fit to fat to fit experience podcast. I’m your host, drew Manning. Now, today is a special episode. First of all, Lynn’s not here with me. I’m doing this podcast episode by myself, but the way we set it up is it’s actually a simulcasts with Jimmy Moore, who is the host of living Lavita low carb. He has his own very successful podcast. I was on his show about four years ago in the middle of my Fitbit to fit journey. We reconnected and decided to do a simulcast where I’m interviewing him a little bit. He’s interviewing me a little bit. So this is different. This is the first time I’ve done this. It’s an experiment. So let me know what you guys think about it. I’ll be honest with you. It’s actually a lot easier to do this because it takes all the pressure off of me of having to be the interviewer.

It’s good to, you know, have it be half and half or he interviews me a little bit and I interview him. Uh, I do talk to him and pick his brain a little bit about ketosis. I talked about my one week experiment on ketosis and uh, what I learned from that. Um, and what I plan on doing in the future. He challenged me to do a 60 day keto diet. So you’ll see what I say to that. And so for those of you who don’t know who Jimmy Moore is, he is a very successful blogger and podcasts are, he’s been around, uh, I think he has over a thousand episodes now on his podcast live in Lavita low-carb dot com. He’s the author of I think four books now, a keto clarity, um, the Quito cookbook. Basically he’s the master of anything ketosis, which is becoming very, very popular nowadays.

Jimmy actually used to weigh 410 pounds and, uh, is a big fan of the keto diet and what it’s done for him and his health. And he has a very interesting story. Before we jump in to the episode today, this episode is brought to you guys by dollar workout club.com. Now the new year just started. January, 2016 a lot of new year’s resolutions are out there. Dollar workout club.com is a great way to get started with your goals for 2016 the first of all, what it is in a nutshell is, is you pay $1 per week and you get access to five at home workout videos that are designed by me, Lynn or Natalie, Natalie Hodson, and, and you get access to five healthy recipe videos and five motivational videos every single week for just $1. So you get a workout with a, with us from your smart phone, your laptop, your iPad, even your smart TV.

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to their lists.

Hello. Hi everybody and welcome to the fit to fit fit experience podcast. I’m your host, drew Manning. Jimmy, thank you so much for setting up the simulcasts. I’m so excited to make this happen.

Yeah, man, I thought this would be fun. I’ve been doing podcasts for a long time and you were on my show way back when I was looking it up December of 2011 way back in episode 519, which is like half of my podcast to go. Uh, and so you were the guy who actually made yourself fat. You were a personal trainer or fitness guy, made yourself fat only to show your clients, Hey, you can get fit again. And you learned a lot of lessons along the way. Got a New York times bestselling book out of it. Um, and dude, you are soaring now. You’ve got this brand new podcast that you’re doing, uh, and a new ane television show. So dude, you’ve just taken this and run with it. Well, you know,

crazy is, I can’t pull it, first of all, I can’t believe it was four years ago that it was on your podcast. And I remember, yeah, I can’t remember. I, I remember being on your podcast and talking about my fit to fat to fit journey. And then fast forward, I had no idea that’s TV show and a podcast and this would become a brand, right? I had no idea any of this would happen. Right? And so I feel blessed. I feel, you know, grateful to have all this happen. But at the same time, I feel lucky. Like, I didn’t, it wasn’t intentional for me, but, um, I am passionate about what I do and I’m grateful to be where I’m at today. So thank you so much.

You’re very welcome. And yeah, I remember you when you were doing this whole fit to fat to fit thing and you’ve got to go on the dr Raj show. When you, uh, gained all the weight, definitely go back and listen. We’ll have a link to the original interview if you want to listen to how that all went down. But you’re on dr Roz and good morning America and even Jay Leno. Had you on the tonight show, uh, the view in so many other places, you really got that story out there. What, why do you think that was so intriguing to people? What was it about a personal trainer gaining weight that made it so sexy as a story?

Well, I can only answer from what people have told me. I mean, because, you know, I did what I did for myself to gain a better understanding. But then I think the people, the reason people were so intrigued by it is because I was doing things in a backwards sort of way and sometimes it takes something a little crazy to catch people’s attention. And what I was doing was downright, you know, crazy. I’ll admit that it was crazy. It was risky. And um, I think that’s what got people’s attention. But more so they saw how it changed me because if I was doing it to rub it in people’s faces and say, look, it’s so easy. You know, I can do this. It was, I think people saw how humbled I was, how truly humbled I was. If you look at my vlogs on YouTube to see my weekly posts about how this was such a surprising, uh, experience for me, they saw that I was humbled.

They saw that I was changed and that I gained a better respect, a better understanding of kind of what it was like to be overweight. I didn’t, I never came across and said, look, I know exactly now what overweight people go through because I don’t pretend to know exactly what it’s like because each person’s journey is different. But at least I could say, look, I have a better understanding. I definitely have more empathy and I totally understand the mental and emotional side way more than I did before I did this journey. So I think that’s what people have told me. A lot of people have kind of, um, told me it’s for them, it was like being in a race and they were kind of towards the back, you know, it’s struggling on this journey. And here I was, this person at the front of the race who’s super fit and healthy and I kinda took a step back and, and, and went to the back of the race with them and took them on the journey alongside with them as I lost the weight. And so that’s what people have, have, uh, told me and, and demonstrated to me of how this helped them connect in a different way, if that makes sense.

It does make sense. And drew, I remember on our last interview I asked you about some of the cravings when you started trying to come off of the sugar cause you gained a pretty substantial amount of weight in a very short amount of time. You actually lost your abs pretty quick and, and got the moobs and all that stuff. So, um, and I remember asking you during our interview the last time that, uh, it probably took you a while to get over the cravings. I now that it’s been years later, do you still deal with some of those issues that you had trying to come off of that sugar? Do you still feel some of that even today?

I do. And, and you know what, this is the perfect time to talk about it during the holidays. Um, when this kind of, when these kinds of processed carbs are in my house, I honestly feel like I have no control. So, for example, right now during the holiday season, um, a lot of treats, you know, were brought to me or we made some treats or for my birthday, just recently people brought her cupcakes, donuts, things like that. And they’re in my house. They know better. They do know better, but at the same time, people show their love by giving you food sometimes. And so anyways, love. But yeah, that’s another topic. It is another topic. But anyway, so I have this food in my house and, and there are times where I try to willpower my way through not eating them. And I have honestly struggled and I’ve given in, so I, I’ve learned that I still have those cravings today for fast forward four or five years later, I still have those cravings that I struggle with.

The key for me and what I tell most people seems to work. If the food’s not in the house, I’m not going to go out of my way to the donut shop or I’m not going to go out of my way to the cupcake store to buy these foods. But when they’re in my house sitting there and I know that they’re there, I’m going to have my moment of weakness every now and then where if it’s that convenient, I’m going to eat it. And so I still, I still do struggle. Yes. They, you know, you want me? Oh man, I tell ya, it’s really, really hard. And so, you know, that’s one thing I still continue to struggle with. I tell people, cravings never really go away from me, but they become easier to manage over time. If you know your, your weaknesses and you prepare for those, um,

those temptations, if that, if that makes sense. Well, and know that you have way of, of squelching those cravings when they come on. You know, I think one of the things that our society has done with all of the low fat dogma over the past few decades is they’ve, you know, eschewed fat as this really enemy in your health. And yet that’s the very thing that could be helping a lot of people, you know, stave off a lot of those cravings and addictions to sugary types of things that they think they can’t live without. But if you ate fat, you wouldn’t have those desires. Yeah. And this is what I was going to ask you actually, is do you still run into people that are concerned about eating fat even today, even though you’ve had your podcast on for years? Oh my gosh. Yeah. I would say even more now than ever before.

Now, yes, the F the education is getting out there and in the science realm, drew, this has been known that that was so bogus. You know, many years ago, you know, when you were on my show the last time, the science had already begun to turn about saturated fat and yet it hasn’t penetrated into the culture. I think we’re still another decade, maybe decade and a half before it really truly catches on in the whole low-fat dogma that we’ve lived at, uh, our entire lives. You and me, the whole time we’ve been alive, low-fat has been the dog. Yeah, yup. Now it’s so true and I wonder if, if it’s more prevalent in the older generation versus, you know, the younger generation, cause that’s really like more people are educated now that are listened to podcasts and come from a younger generation that use technology. They have learned more about ketosis and high fat diets.

Um, and, and not being afraid of eating fat, but whereas I feel like my parents generation, even though me and you will tell them, look, eat some fat, I still feel like they’re scared. They’re scared of the fat and then they trust their doctors. Inherently. A, my wife was just telling me about her father, uh, went in to the doctor and his cholesterol was high and okay, here’s your prescription for a statin drug. And he didn’t even bat an eye about ADA. Oh, is, I wrote a whole book about cholesterol and why it’s not the end of man your health and it’s the inflammation stupid. And, and it doesn’t matter because he’s a, that generation that that’s what they believe. And they believe everything that they’ve learned. Unfortunately. Uh, if they just went back to the way their moms and dads ate, we’d all be healthy again.

Yeah. It’s so true. So do you interact with doctors and that kind of are from that era and talk about that science, do you have, like how do you talk to doctors versus, you know, followers or fans that are listening? You mean doctors that aren’t already on board with this message? Yes. Yeah, cause most of the people that I talk to are ones they get this message already. Uh, and the few that don’t. Um, yeah, I mean they are of the mindset that I have the answers to your medical history and your medical health, uh, um, you are not trained in medicine. Actually had a doctor on a vegan doctor on one time, uh, who pretty much railed against me that I wasn’t qualified to talk this stuff because I didn’t have a medical degree and he did have a medical degree. Uh, you may know him, dr John McDougall, but definitely go look that one up.

It was a hilarious episode. But, um, you know, and pretty much berated me for not having that medicine, uh, in, in my, in my education. And I’m going, well, I have a brain, I have the ability to research, I have the ability to look up and find information. I don’t need a degree to have all of that at my disposal. And so I think this information age has really changed the game. Now I’m not saying that I have the equivalency of an MD, but I certainly have a lot of PhD type of knowledge with all the people that I’ve talked to over the years and gleaned experience from. It’s really an up bill battle for that over 60 crowd in the medical profession.

Yeah. And for me, I think experience is so valuable and it’s overlooked in our society. You know, people will discredit you because you don’t have a PhD. You’d be like, well, you know, Jimmy Maura, that’s cool and all, but he doesn’t have, you know, a PhD. So I can’t listen to him. And unfortunately I feel like experience is, is, is very valuable in our society, but it is overlooked unfortunately. Um, so let me ask you about ketosis cause I uh, mentioned to you, I did a one week experiment one whole week. Wow. One whole week. Well it was just kind of like on the fly. I’m like, you know what, I’ve been learning a lot about it. Um, and it’s become a lot more prevalent. I’m a big fan of Tim Ferriss and his podcasts and I learned about, yeah, he’s, he’s awesome. And, and I, you know, I seen him do it and the benefits that he had, I’m like, you know what, I’m just going to try this.

I just, you know, wanted to wing it. So here I was, I went to my CVS, got some keto sticks, you know, the ones you pee on and I just went high fat and I lowered my protein actually. Cause, because I was actually listening to your podcast, I can’t remember with who it was, but you, I remember you saying if you eat too much protein it can knock you out of ketosis. And so I lowered my protein and my fat and it was a very interesting experiment for one whole week. I did it and within two days I was in ketosis, um, based off of the keto sticks, which I’m not sure how accurate they are.

I would say within two days you were spilling ketones into your urine, but probably not keto adapted. That keto adaptation period is probably a good two, maybe three weeks for people to get fully into a ketogenic state where you actually should be measuring your blood ketones. Did I, did you ever read my book? Kito clarity?

I have not yet. I’ve heard so much about it but any, I just haven’t gotten my hands on it yet.

And Ferriss actually highly recommended it to his followers that wanted to learn about ketosis, but it’ll show you that they’re, the one you were measuring in the urine is called a CDOT acetate, which is cool. Or when you first start, it kind of shows you what ketones you’re spilling over into your urine. But what you really want to see is the beta hydroxybutyrate B B, that’s the one that’s in the blood. And you can measure that with a precision extra monitor. You have to buy it online. Um, I did a Periscope video about how you can find the, uh, the strips pretty cheap cause they can be real expensive if you go on right now they’re like four or $5 per strip. But I got some from Australia are about a buck a strip. So, um, and then test your blood ketones and that, I’m telling you man, that is not going to lie about where you stand in your ketones. And definitely if you do decide to do it again. And I know you have a propensity for doing an equals one experiments. Like I do do it for longer than a week. I would say do it for 60 days to truly get the, the full Moxie of what it’s [inaudible].

Yeah. And I, I have, I do want to do a lot more research and a lot more homework on it because, um, you know, I’ve learned about synthetic ketones, which I actually wanted to ask you about as well. You know, how necessary are those? What are the benefits? What are the downsides to these synthetic ketones, which I, you know, in my opinion aren’t as widely available yet as I think people know, but you can find them and they’re expensive. Five to six bucks a serving.

So are you talking about the exogenous ketones like KIDO, OLS and some of these other kind of products? Yes. Yeah. So I am a fan of them in as much as I think some people need to be put into a state of ketosis for neurodegenerative disease, uh, for cancer. If someone’s trying to deal with cancer with a key to check diet, like Tim Ferriss has limed as DS, this may boost their ketones, people with epilepsy, some of those more severe cases of health decline. I think those exoticness ketone products can be amazing for those people. And for the everyday person that is trying to do it nutritionally to get into ketosis, but they’re not quite getting there. This could be that added psychological boost that could get them into ketosis. But my experience with them, and I do use them personally, um, is it’s very fleeting, especially if you already are in ketosis and you’re experiencing, you know, moderately high amounts of ketones over 1.0 and the blood ketone monitor, you’re not going to see a huge boost from 1.0, it’ll go 1.0 to 1.3 a which is okay, but then it’s in and out of your system within about two to three hours.

So athletes that are trying to be fat adapted perhaps before their race, they take some of this exotic in as ketone product. It can be helpful for them. So I think in the right circumstance, those artificial ketones as you call them, um, can be good. But I think as the baseline for most everyone, uh, do it nutritionally. Yeah.

Yeah. And that’s why, that’s one thing I tend to lean towards anyways is do it nutritionally first and foremost. But I feel like, um, you know, from what I’ve seen, and I’m not sure if this is your experience, do people do it to go through ketosis? And I don’t want to say lazier way, but like, Hey, I can get away with eating more carbs. All I do is just take this, these exogenous ketones, fan

of that mentality. I think that is a recipe for disaster. Um, anybody that knows me in my work, I’m all about do it. Low carb, moderate protein, high fat first. And if you’re struggling to get enough ketones for whatever the reason you’re doing ketosis, then this in as an adjunct to not in loop.

Gotcha. That’s smart. And I’m, I’m on the on board with you as far as that goes as well. So with real food. Exactly. And so what, what are some of the, um, what are most of the complaints, not complaints. The hardest thing that you get from people that ask about, well how do I stay in ketosis? What are the foods that I eat? Um, those types of, I don’t want to say complaints, but that’s the word that’s coming to my mind for some reason. Um, about the types of foods you’re supposed to eat. [inaudible] cause people think, well does that just mean eat coconut oil and, and meat all day, you know? Yeah.

And then when you start saying moderating protein and lowering carbs are like, well, what else am I supposed to eat? And I thought most protein was bound up with a fat and fat with protein. And so how do you eat? You know, that much fat. You just add fat, you can add. Avocado is pretty much all mono unsaturated fat and beautiful and mono and saturated fat by the way. Um, you can cook in coconut oil for sure. You can cook in grass fed butter, which I love doing. Um, I’ll throw some sour cream or cream cheese on top of some eggs. Um, have some bacon, um, and an avocado. And that’s a beautiful ketogenic meal. You can throw in a few green leafy vegetables into, into your omelet or whatever. Um, and, and make it palatable. I think one of the, the misconception is conceptions is it’s just a boring diet that all you eat is just kind of this basic food, um, categories.

And that’s it. And I wrote a whole book about this in 2015 called the ketogenic cookbook. I need to get you one of the OSA swells, Quito clarity. So let’s talk after the hair to get you those. But you know, there’s so many ways to make it work, work, and I think it’s just excuses. If people say, well, it just, just not palatable, it just doesn’t seem like it’s a very good way to eat. I’m telling you, man, you will lose all of your cravings for all of those things. You know, when you said while ago that you’re still dealing with some of the cravings and you get these cupcakes. I, I got rid of that a long time ago and I’ll tell you how, okay, I’ll look at cupcakes and cookies and all this crappy Carbridge as I call it, as rat poison. And so have you mentally put that negative image into your brain that those things are rat poison.

Guess what? Yes, on a conscious level. You know, it’s not rat poison, but it gives you just enough pause to go, no, I’m going to make better choices now for somebody like you. That’s relatively fit. Yeah, you got fat and you got fit again, but you still can probably handle carbs better than somebody like me. He used to weigh 410 pounds and was on three prescription medications and was a mess early in my life that now in my mid forties I’m having to fight it just to stay as healthy as I am today. And so I think it depends on who it is that that’s dealing with that, which is why ketosis can help a lot of people, um, regardless of where you are on this journey. Yeah. And I agree with that and I’ll put the links in the

show notes to those two books as well to my followers because I want them to access that information as well. Um, but getting back to that, yeah, I totally agree with you. So do you stay, so let me ask you this. Do you never have the, what do you call the uh, car? The bitch crappy carpet. I was trying to remember that. Crappy carbs. You never have a cheat meal treat meal, if you will.

You know, back in 2004 when I went through my journey where I lost 180 pounds in that one year, I did have what I called plan and a splurges. And what was interesting, drew was I did that thinking I want that. And the first two times I did want it, I had pizza one time and I had, you know, I forget what I had the other time, but after like two or three times of doing that, I went, ah, uh, you know, it was just, it was gross because I had become so used to enjoying what I got to eat on the low carb lifestyle that I was like, well, this is silly. Going back to eating something that I know is gonna make me feel horrible. And it did. Every time I ate those things, I’d be on the bathroom floor writhing in pain, and I’m going, why am I doing this again? I’m, I’m, I’ve changed my life. I don’t need the those things anymore. So no, I do not.

Yeah. It’s funny how it was. As humans, we tend to do that to ourselves a lot. Not just with food, but we know this is going to make ourselves feel bad, but we do it anyways. You know, it can be with alcohol or anything else, but that F edition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Yeah. How’s that working for you? Exactly. So is your wife, is she do the Quito as well or is she, what does she do?

You know, she’s interesting. Cause when we got married, she was like 95 pounds soaking wet and I was 300 pounds at the time. And uh, it was, it was funny because she had always been sticked in and, and we got married and I lost the weight on the low carb and everything. And, and she was still eating Skittles and M and ms and drinking dr pepper. And, and she went to get her triglycerides measured and drew, she found out her triglycerides were somewhere around 300 and anybody that knows the metabolism of triglycerides, you know, that’s from a high carb intake. And so I like honey, you know what you gotta do? So we let her carbs. That’s literally all we did was cut out the Skittles M and M’s and dr pepper. That was pretty much all we did. And in six weeks it went from 300 to one 30. And uh, she did go full on keto when she got pregnant with our twins about three years, three or four years ago, uh, pregnant with twins, we did end up losing those twins, but she kept the diet and continue to do it. And now her triglycerides and HDL and ketone levels are better than mine. Wow.

Fix me. And I’m sorry to hear that. I actually did not know that part of your story. I did not know you lost the twin. And so I’m sorry to hear that. Yeah, I’m heart goes out to you guys. So do you guys not have any kids?

Yeah, we can’t have kids. We tried the IVF and uh, that, that didn’t work. And then we tried the embryo

and that’s where she got pregnant with the twins and she lost them a month later. Gotcha. So what do you do for people that have kids that ask for your advice on, okay, well I have kids, you know, they have treats every now and then, or do I make them eat a keto diet? What about for kids? Is kiddo safe for kids? Yeah, it certainly, it’s a real food. As long as you’re sticking to real food. I don’t think kids necessarily need Quito per se. What they don’t need is this daily barrage of crappy carbon into their diet. So if you’re going to give them a treat on occasion, that’s fine. I mean, I think if, if a kid has, you know, some candy once a week and you make that kind of a big deal, that’s the way it used to be. Drew day, they’d have, I remember my grandpa talking about, um, [inaudible] or somebody that was an older person in my life talked about, well yeah, back when I was a kid, we were lucky if we had one six ounce Coca-Cola at the end of the week on Sunday night.

That was kind of what we got as our treat once a week, you know? And now the kids are guzzling, you know, big two liters every single day. That’s funny. I was just talking to my older brother about that. That’s how it was for him, for us growing up in a family of 11 kids, we didn’t have extra money for, you know, desserts or treats like that. And so when we did get something, it was a big deal for us. Yeah. And now that my parents are older and you know, the kids are moved out of the house, it’s treats almost every day, you know, so it’s funny how that’s changed over, um, over time. It just because it’s more accessible and it’s so convenient and affordable nowadays that it’s like an everyday occurrence. So, and even to the moms and dads who think, Oh, I’ll just speed my kids, uh, lots and lots of fruit, that’s, it’s much healthier for them.

I don’t think fruit every day should be something for kids. Fruit on occasion. Kind of like a candy bar. Treat it like a candy bar. Yes, there’s micronutrients. Yes, there’s fiber. If you eat the whole fruit, but it’s not a freebie. You know, if you’re going to feed your kid something every day, feed them vegetables every day, feed them fat and protein every day, but they really don’t need that sugar rush, whether it’s from natural sources or, or Coca-Cola. Ding-dongs and hohos. Yeah, so true. So true. Yeah. No, we, we, our kids eat pretty much what we, you know, they eat the same foods that we for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I don’t make them Mac and cheese and chicken McNuggets while we’re eating our keto friendly dinner. You know, that we make them eat the same foods that we eat. And for the most part, if that’s the case, I know, I understand when they go to school, their friends gonna give them some candy or they go over to their friend’s house.

They’re going to have those situations where they’re going to be exposed to other food and I’m sure they’re going to choose some type of candy over broccoli any day, right. Their kids. But if I can control the majority of their food when they’re with me, then I feel like at least they have a good base of nutrition of what’s healthy. And what’s not well, and it’s all in the messaging of it too. I remember having somebody on my podcast before who said, when you talk to kids about things like broccoli, say this is muscle building broccoli and you’ll become a super hero of you eat broccoli. You know, and, and, and that kind of language. I love that. I mean I don’t have kids on my own, but I could see that working. No, it’s true. And I’ve, I’ve done that before and I explained to the, I explain why we eat these, these vegetables, why it’s important that we eat them instead of just say, Hey, eat your vegetables.

Because dad said that doesn’t seem to work too well. And plus I always try and get my kids to be a part of the food making process. We’d go to the grocery store, we grocery shop together, we cook together there helped me prep the food and then we eat together and we talk about why we’re eating these foods instead of just eat them because dad said so. I feel like that’s helped my kids over time to eat the foods that I make them. And I try and I try and, uh, put extra effort into preparing their, their meals in a nice way where I’ll make them into shape. Sometimes they’re all make it colorful or I’ll make it fun. We’re able to spell something out with the vegetables. I know that a lot of parents don’t have the energy or time to do that sometimes and I don’t all the time, but I’ve, I’ve realized that seems to help my kids, uh, be more entertained with the food and like, Oh, this is exciting. So I just give them a, uh, a piece of raw broccoli for example. It’s not as exciting as if I like cut it up and make a letter with it or something like that. And I know it’s extra effort, but for me it works. It put it into the form of a storm trooper and you got a star Wars fan and a broccoli fan.

It’s so true, man. It’s just getting creative with your food can make a big difference in helping your kids eat more veggies, which is our goal here. You come to the green side. Oh man. I tell ya that was star Wars just coming out, you know. That’s great. So tell me about this a and E show. How did you get that gig? How did that, Oh my gosh. Okay. So let me tell you a little bit of the backstory because when, when 55 to fit blew up, um, back in, you had me on a December, it blew up around October, which is when I went on the Jay Leno show, 2011. Yeah, yeah. 2011. Um, so many people were exposed to what I was doing and it, uh, it was like overnight, all these TV shows started calling. Well, a production company out of the LA reached out to me about four years ago around that time saying, Hey, we saw your journey.

We think you’re awesome. We think you’re a little crazy but awesome still. And we’d love to pitch it to be sure idea to you for you to be a part of and we’ll go pitch it to different networks. Crazy television. Yes. Trust it. Reality TV. It’s changed our culture, which I don’t know for the better or not, but anyways. Okay. So they reach out to me and they pitched me the idea for a TV show and back then that the show was set up as a competition type of show, similar to biggest loser where trainers have to gain all this weight and then they have to compete against these other teams of a trainer of overweight trainers now and overweight clients trying to lose the weight together. And it was on this camp and all this stuff and it was, we pitched it to every single network you can think of and nobody picked it up.

It was dead in the water. And I’m like, Aw man. You know, just, you know, Oh well, you know, it was the objections. What were the major objections? That’s, that’s too risky. Only drew could’ve got away with that. What were they saying? I think it was the risk factor. Like we’re, we’re putting other people’s lives at risk here and we’re not sure if we want that kind of attention. And I just didn’t, don’t think anybody at that time was ready for it even though, you know, I got a lot of praise for what I was doing. But to put it into a, that type of format didn’t seem to work with all these big networks. Anyways. Fast forward about three years later, three and a half years later, about a year ago. Basically they respect out to me saying, look, we really feel like we missed the boat with that.

The TV show idea, we want to go re-pitch it again cause there’s new executives at these networks and you know, it’s, we’ve, we’ve done this before in the past where we re-pitch it and someone picks it up. I’m like, yeah, sure, go ahead. And then two weeks later they call me up and say congratulations and just bought the rights to the show. And I’m like, Oh my gosh, this is so far. So this is how it works. Like I had no idea how the TV industry works. But anyways, they changed the format of the show to make it more of a docu series and the executive producer of the show, um, who’s a good friend of mine now, Dan Partland was the executive producer of a TV show called intervention. So basically it’s a show where people with certain addictions, um, they come in and intervene and help them out.

And it was a great show. So anyways, he’s the executive producer of fit to fat to fit on A&E. And so it’s more of a docu series. So one trainer for four months has to, you know, let go the of their old lifestyle. They have to gain the weight for four months and then after those four months they’re teamed up with a client that’s obese and together as a team, they have to lose the weight together. And my role on the show is a, is a, you know, behind the scenes producer kind of sharing what I learned from my journey. Cause my whole goal was not to turn this into a Kardashian reality TV show, but to stay true to the lessons that I learned, you know, gaining some empathy, understanding more of the mental and emotional side. I feel like I was able to help kind of mold it in that way so that it didn’t just become some Kardashian type of reality TV show.

And so anyways, in a nutshell, that’s basically the concept of there’s 10 trainers on the show all from across the United States and they teamed up all willing to gain weight. I know it’s crazy what minimum weight that they had to gain a percentage of their weight that they had to gain to be qualified. But how did that work? They had to agree to try and gain a certain percentage, but I’ll be honest with you, not to give out any spoilers. Some of them struggled to gain the weight, uh, for, to gain weight. I was trying to tell them, I’m like, look, this is how you gained the weight. But a lot of it, you’ll be surprised. The mental, emotional stress of this all for some of these trainers was too much. And we actually had to pull the plug a little bit early because some of them were struggling so much from an October, emotional going up, um, were struggling so much.

And so my whole goal was to get these trainers to gain some empathy, but we couldn’t force it on them. Right? We can’t force you to gain empathy. But my whole goal was for them to at least have a better respect for people who were overweight to understand that it’s way harder than, than they think. I mean, you knew what that was like. You went through that yourself and I’m sure in the midst of you eating all that, all that process, carbohydrates, I remember that’s what you told me on the on my show was that’s what you had to do. Just stuffed your mouth with a basically over consuming mostly, you know, crappy carbon [inaudible] and that’s how you gain the weight. And I remember you saying how hard that was that you didn’t realize that it was going to be that hard to do. So you already knew about all the mental obstacles that you’re now seeing these other trainers deal with it.

Yeah. And I warned them about it too. I’m like, look you guys this, this is way harder than I thought or than I thought it was going to be. And it does affect you so much more than a physical level. Yes, you will gain weight. Yes, you will get a, you know, a big a and love handles, but it’s so much more than that is so much more of a mental, emotional journey that I was not prepared for. And I’m telling you guys, it’s going to change you if you really put the effort into this. And every single one of them admitted, you know, this was way harder than I thought. And they come out with a better appreciation of themselves and a better appreciation of their clients. I think a lot of people will see how they change on a mental, emotional level versus physical.

Obviously physical, we know what’s going to happen, right? They’ve already seen what I did to my body. It’s similar to each for each person, but um, to see them struggle, I think most of America actually loves that. To see someone who’s, you know, quote unquote perfect body, let that go and see, kind of see what it’s like. You know? That’s what I loved about your story when you did this whole thing was I was like, look, this guy could have just been happy. Go lucky doing his thing. Saying, look, if you eat the way I tell you to eat, you’re going to look like me. I mean, you could have done all that typical stuff we see from the TB trainers and all that out there. Don’t get me started on Jillian Michael. Um, you know, those kinds of things that are put out there. And yet you put yourself at, at, at risk by what you did.

And it worked and it succeeded. But you didn’t know that in the midst of no, I had no idea. I had no connections. And that’s the thing. I’m not some marketing genius. I just ran with the idea in hopes that AR got to be great pan. Now that’s the marketing genius. Well, thank you. But what I’m trying to say is that, you know, uh, I do feel lucky in a way to have all this happen. And my whole goal is to, you know, create a somewhat of a revolution with personal trainers because there’s so much judgment on both sides. There is these skinny fit people over here who look at people who are overweight saying, Oh, you guys are lazy. All you need to do is eat healthy and exercise. Why is it so hard for you? And I used to be over there and people who are overweight are saying, you know, look, you’re so lucky your genetics, this and that.

There’s a lot of misunderstanding and judgment on both sides. And if I can take this, this TV show, which is, you know, just coming out on January 19th and help bridge that gap a little bit, even a little bit, and show that there’s an understanding that needs to happen on both sides to get rid of the judgment, then I would be, I could sleep easy at night if I could bridge that gap a little bit. That’s so cool. So again, it’s airing on January 19th, you said is the debut. So go check out your local listings on a Annie, go ahead and set your DVR now and uh, I’m going to definitely watch it. That should be fun to watch. And uh, those kinds of shows are, are always kind of hit or miss for me. You know, I’ve, I stopped watching the biggest loser years ago. I think they’ve gone off.

They’ve jumped the shark a long time ago. Uh, I’ve tried to pitch to them. They need to do a paleo or KIDO versus the biggest loser, you know, and have the biggest loser people showing them on the treadmill and Ugh, you know, and then have the paleo people outside playing and doing like, you know, fog wall and all this kind of stuff for meals. Oh man, it’d be awesome. Oh man, I’ll pitch that to the production company. We’ll see what they say. But you know what, with paleo and keto growing so fast and widespread, I don’t see why not. Like why not have it out there and the mainstream show. Yeah. You know, we’ll see paleos versus vegans. Well, I wouldn’t go there because I think people can find what works for them. If somebody is happy doing a vegan diet through, I’m gonna be like, you know what?

Go do your vegan diet and be happy with yourself. The unfortunate thing is a lot of vegans don’t hold that same philosophy. They kind of say, well, it’s veganism or the highway. And that’s just truly unfortunate. Yeah. And I see that a lot in the, in the fitness industry, right? People are on the, on board with these types of diets as if they’re a religion, right? And they’re so stuck in their ways and they won’t see anybody else’s perspective and they kind of demonize them. And I’ve seen it in the fitness industry, friends of mine that have, you know, way more followers than me, you know, we’ll say something about, you know, are eating meat and they’ll get attacked and vice versa. And it’s sad to see that this is like, uh, becoming so serious for so many people. And so it was kind of a unfortunate, you know, especially with social media, more, more prevalent.

People feel like it’s so much easier to attack somebody on social media. And I’m sure you’ve experienced that. No, I never get attacked by anybody. I’m lovable, man. I’m just like, well, you are man. People got to know you. I mean, you’re a great guy and I think people would learn so much if they just listen to your podcasts and read your books and got to know you on a personal level. Thank you. Drew, you know what I’d do? I’d just be me. I don’t try to pretend to be some persona. You know, I, I can tell people a mile away when they’re trying to be a persona that’s not authentically them and I’m just the opposite. I’m like telling you the good, the bad, the ugly, everything in between. Because I think at the end of the day that helps people a lot more. Well, I love, I love that about you Jimmy. So thank you so much for being honest and open and real. Uh, we definitely need more of that in the fitness industry. Um, one last question from me at least. Um, about ketosis. What are, what are the top three things that, or five things that people need to do in order to get started? Is it research meal

plans? Is it okay, go find out where these keto sticks are? What are they like the top three or four things to get started? Because for me, I’m not the example, I just kinda did it on a whim and just winged it. What are some things if they want to really do Quito structurally, what are like the top four or five things that they can do to get started? Yeah, you halfway did it and halfway, halfway did. I’m just kidding. I’m going to get you to do a 60 day one before it’s all said and done. But I think finding a plan, you know, that’s one reason I wrote keto clarity cause there weren’t really any plans out there that kind of show you in layman’s terms, this is what you do and then this is how you measure how you’re doing and this is what you eat and blah blah blah.

You know, it really wasn’t anything like that. So pick up my book keto clarity. I know that’s a bit self serving, but it definitely does lay it all out for you. Um, and then when it comes to the diet, just get your carbs down first. I think that’s always the first and foremost. That’s one thing Dr. Atkins got dead on. He said start at 20 grams and then work your way back up according to your carbohydrate tolerance level. He got that debt on. What he missed was that there is a gluco Neo genetic effect to protein. And what that long G word means is if you eat too much protein, you’ll actually turn that protein into sugar in the body, uh, through the liver. So you want to make sure you moderate down on the protein and then eat the rest of your calories to satiety and the form of fat, mostly, uh, saturated fats and mono unsaturated fats, not these vegetable oils that are highly inflammatory that will give you heart disease.

You don’t want those, uh, those are as bad for you as carbs, so stay away from them. Um, and if you do those things, then you can move to testing for the ketones. We talked about this a little earlier. You want to measure for that beta hydroxybutyrate in the blood. Ideally, that’s the best thing that you can measure how you’re doing. There is a third one we did not talk about called the breath ketone is acetone and you can actually blow into this meter called a key tonics. K. E. T. O. N. I. X. um, and you can actually order that online key Tom Mike’s dot com. But you blow into it, it’s a USB powered device and you blow into it and it, and it turns colors depending on your level of ketones coming out of your breath. And it’s a pretty good yes, no, if that’s all you need is yes, no, the urine ketones are not as reliable because once you become keto adapted after that two to three week period of adaptation, um, you’ll start losing those ketones in your urine and they’ll get converted into the blood ketone, that beta hydroxybutyrate.

So you actually need to be testing in some measurable way that’s going to give you good results, not just the pee stick. So blood ketones would, that precision extra is the name of the monitor. If you’re listening internationally, the name of the monitor is freestyle Neo and it’s the same company that makes both of them. So if you find the strips for either precision extra or freestyle, Neo or freestyle optimum, all of those are the exact same. A meter and SAC, exact same end company. They’ll use the same strips. And all of those. So test for that and then just

track your progress beyond weight. I’m so sick of people stepping on scales and saying, Oh no, I only lost one pound. I should have lost 12 million pounds by now. And I’m like, shut up. Please just stop it. You’re killing me here. Now. I deal with that every single day. If I can get it a scale, I would, um, let’s hammer. You need to do a video of me and you need to do a video together where we’ve got these glass scales and then we take a sledge hammer, same attain easily and do it in slow motion. Would that not be awesome man? That would be awesome. And I can’t remember the name of the movie, but that brings up the name of that movie a, what’s it called, where they’re bashing the copy. The copy. I’m the printer and they’re beating it up in slow motion was sledge hammers and stuff. I can’t remember the name of it. Uh, and my mind is not working. You know, if you were in ketosis, you can remember that. Excellent. And I knew you’re going to say that. I forgot. I knew, man.

I knew you were going to say that. And you know what, I’m actually gonna do this in 2016. I’m committing to doing at least a 60 day a keto diet. And I will have you back on, um, to talk about my results. Oh dude, I was so loved. That would be really cool. Like daily check in, see how you’re doing, see what your, how you’re tracking your progress. I would be honored to, to train you on that. And now you know what? And I would love that because for me it’s not about weight loss, it’s not about changing my body composition. Like I’m already, you know, I’m not trying to get any leaner or anything like that. Like I would love to see from a a a non weight loss perspective how brain health exactly. So I will be in touch with you off the air.

We’ll talk about this and uh, I think that would be a great idea for 2016. Absolutely. Again, his name is drew Manning. Check out his book. It’s called fit to fat to fit. We’ll have a link to it in the show notes section on my podcast. They’ll live in low carb show.com he’s also@fittwofattwofit.com that’s the numbers two there as well as his podcast is fit to fat to fit.com/podcast and uh, yeah, you are doing a great job. I’m so happy you were back on my show and I got to be on your show. I know, man. How long has your podcast been on the air? So this will be episode 19 so just a couple of months. I’m still a baby man. I’m nowhere close to where you are, but you know what, I actually love this. Something you were on before podcasting, like became big [inaudible] on the cutting edge of podcasting.

So I have a lot to learn from you Jimmy, but I’m okay. Tell my followers where they can find you. Yes, so I am at living Lavita, low-carb dot com all of my podcast blog books, everything is there on that big splash page or that’s too much room to remember. You can actually just type in my name, Jimmy Moore into a Google search and the whole first page and a half is all my stuff and I’ll put all that in the show notes as well. And you are on social media, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Periscope. Okay. At live in low carb on everything. Yeah, I love it. That will be in the show notes as well. Thank you so much Jimmy Moore for setting it up the simulcasts. We’ll definitely have to do this again and we’ll talk more about ketosis,

man. They are little something different to do. I’m used to being the interviewer but it’s kind of cool being on both in the microphone in the same interview. I actually agree with that. It’s kind of takes some of the pressure off and podcasters always love interviewing other podcasters cause you know the sound’s going to be good so you don’t have to tell them about the Mike set up and all of that. So that’s right. That’s right. Well happy new year. Jimmy Moore. Thank you man. Happy new year to you and we’ll talk to you again soon. Okay.

I will be intentional. Experiment going for sure. Have a good one. Thank you guys for listening to today’s episode. Let me know what you think of the way we did it today. The simulcasts. Are you a fan of it? If so, let me know. If not, let me know too. I’m okay with honest feedback. If you guys are not like this, if you did like it, please let me know and we can do this in the future with other guests. So if you like today’s episode, please subscribe on iTunes and let your family and friends know about this podcast. We definitely appreciate your guys’ support. Now sometimes we do have sponsors and sometimes we don’t, which is why we have a donate button on our website. If you go to fit to fat, to fit.com for slash podcast, you’ll see a donate button, uh, which helps pay for production costs to keep this podcast alive. Uh, we would definitely appreciate that you can sign up for my newsletter to stay in the know of what’s going on with the TV show and upcoming appearances and, um, speaking engagements. If you go to fit two fat to fit.com sign up for the newsletters saying they know. Also follow me on social media, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram is where I’m the most active and I appreciate you guys so much and I’ll see you back here next week.

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