what’s up everybody and welcome to the fit to fat to fit experience podcast. I’m your host, drew Manning and I’m your cohost Lynn Manning. Thank you guys so much for joining us today on the podcast today. We have an awesome episode with Sean Stevenson who is our friend but really quick. Shawn Stevenson is the bestselling author and creator of the model health show, which has been number one on iTunes in health and fitness before probably one of my very first health and fitness podcasts that I started listening to, which kind of may be interested in starting my own podcast. So I have Sean to thank for that, but Sean has a background and biology and kinesiology and has given a Ted talk as well and is very well known in the health and fitness industry as a great public speaker and he has the best voice in the podcast.

It does. I mean you can listen to him for hours. He is literally the only podcast that I listened to.

We were honored to finally have Sean on the show. No, I kind of talk about this in the episode, but we’ve tried so many times to have Sean on believe had audio issues and we’ve had scheduling issues. But finally we were able to get a solid recording in this time with Sean. So

I was gonna say, and it’s such a great episode, you guys, I love the stuff that we dig in in this episode because it’s unlike any of the episodes that we’ve done before. I love that we dig in and kind of talk about, you know, basically the new age of nutrition, of knowing that nutrition plays a key component in our health and can, you know, obviously turn the tables for things like disease. And Sean talks about his own personal journey through that, which was inspiring.

Yeah, so this episode really dives into the science behind things. We really don’t do that a whole lot, but I think it’s good to do that so people can understand that there is science backing up some of these claims of these things that we’re talking about as far as nutrition goes. Now, another thing we talk about is Sean has experimented with Kito diet and like being a vegan and a raw food diet and he’s had experience doing all these things. So I ask him what is, which diet does he follow now? So stay tuned to listen to that. But first today’s show is sponsored by MRM.

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Go to dollar workout club.com to check that out. But now let’s get into today’s episode with Sean. All right, Shawn Stevenson, thank you so much for joining us here today on the fit to fat to fit experience podcast. Now, for those of you guys listening, this is our 81st tried to get Sean on the show. Am I right, Sean? Seriously, we’ve tried so many times. We’ve had audio issues, we’ve had scheduling issues, we’ve had technical difficulties, we’ve had our laptop getting water on it. So let’s hope that today goes smoothly and we have an awesome interview with Sean. But first of all, Sean, thank you so much for joining us

and you know, it’s my pleasure to be here. One of my favorite people. And what I like to say is that when it stuff has like a struggle that’s associated with it, it usually turns out being something really Epic. So let’s just roll with that.

Yeah, I like that. I like that. Okay, so let me start things off first and foremost. First, let me let everybody know. As you listen to this episode, you’re going to realize that Sean Stevenson has the most Epic podcast voice in the industry by far bar none. Sean. I has hands down the best voice now on top of that, if you go to his Instagram feed and watch his posts from today, November 24th today is you will actually see him sing and then he puts his all to even more shame by having a beautiful scene voice. Um, so what’s up with that Sean?

Yeah. What’s up with you being so multitalented like stop. Just quit it.

You know, I was just hoping I wouldn’t be one of those people on Instagram that is trying to live out their American idol dream.


First of all, but I just, it came attached with a post, you know, and it’s something that I’ve always done and my family family does like in the house. Like we’re just, we make our own music, you know, we’re always singing or just even coming up with weird songs that are funny and, and we’ll break out and dance and have dance offs randomly. And I think it’s really something valuable that we all have access to it anytime, you know, and so one of the things it does is increase your endorphins, you know, those feel good kind of neurotransmitter soup. You know, you get stern up in your body, kind of like what you get with the runners high, uh, reduces cortisol. And if you sing with other people, then there’s research showing that it increases your oxytocin, which is like known as the quote cuddle hormone. Right? And it helps with that transitions into better sleep, less stress. You know, we’ve, it’s so many of these tiny things that I want to enlighten people to and be as transparent as possible because nobody wants to put themselves out there singing or dancing or doing anything that would kind of be reserved for like if the lights are really low and you’ve had a lot of drinks,


well we all do this stuff. You know,

this is why I enjoy karaoke so much. But like you said, it’s normally under different circumstances.

So is that you’re saying, so you’re saying even if you suck at singing, this will help with oxytocin and reduce cortisol levels, things like that. You don’t have to have a good voice like you, is that what you’re saying?

Absolutely. You know, and this is, it’s so funny because people that didn’t are considered to have the worst voices are the ones who love this thing the most.

Right? Yeah. That’s like me. Yeah.

I was trying to give people permission to sing your heart out. You know? It’s all right if the world hears it, it’s all right if you know you don’t have to have a great voice, just enjoy yourself, sing and you know, kinda tap into that pathway. And by the way, so here’s something interesting I didn’t pose, but historically this is one of the ways that we communicated and shared and moved traditions down the line and stories and lessons was through song, you know, and also through through stories. This is why podcasting is so powerful of a medium because we’re hardwired to learn through our auditory senses. You know, we’re in like the video age, but it’s something powerful when your mind can actually create the picture that is associated with the, with the words and with the voice. Because right now people are having a certain association with me if they’ve never even seen it before. You know, and it’s very powerful because it’s, you’re creating your own entity versus you kind of commanding it on the senses with other stuff. But I love, you know, the TV stuff like that’s great, this really great medium as well, but we can negate the power of listening to somebody.

Yeah. So, so that’s cool man. I appreciate you kind of expanding on that. And if you get a do, if you do get a call from American idol or the voice, let us know. Please. We’ll shoot. We’ll have everyone texting in your number to vote for you. So keep us posted on that

time. I heard drew saying we were in a church and I literally turned to him and I’m like, stop it. And he like looked at me weird and he’s not singing. I know this is a thing. And I was like, seriously, stop it. And he’s like, what? I’m like, stop, stop goofing off. Cause I thought he was joking. I thought he was purposely singing AKI to be like funny and obnoxious and we were in a church. So I was like, Hey, seriously, I feel like to me he’s like, and then he like stone cold straight face. He’s like, I don’t get it. Stop what? And then I realized that he just couldn’t sing on key and I was like, Oh snap. [inaudible] she’s missing Carrie.

Well, oxytocin blocking.

Oh man.

Okay. I’m just kidding. Um, but I don’t want to turn this into a singing episode, but I thought it was funny and cool. And I love, I love how everything you do, Sean, it has to do with some kind of scientific evidence of something that’s beneficial to us. So I think that’s really cool. So I want to start off this interview with little bit of your background. Right? You did a recent episode on your podcast, which was amazing by the way of your background story and how you have healed yourself. And we brought people on, uh, on the podcast as well that have had remarkable stories of how they feel themselves through nutrition. Now your average person out there thinks a lot of this stuff is voodoo kind of hippies stuff out there. Uh, you know, we, we are geared to believe in modern medicine and you go to your doctor when you’re sick and that’s how you do it. And you listen to what they say. But I want people to really understand that they, that there’s power in nutrition and there’s power in having the knowledge of what nutrition can do. And you are a perfect example of that. So let me ask you straight up, do you believe that you can heal yourself and I know depending on the situation and the disease, but for the most part, do you feel like you can heal yourself with nutrition? I’m

definitely, I’m coming from this really scientifically sound perspective when I talk about this stuff, you know, uh, even to kind of start the show off and talking about singing and, uh, health re related to that. It’s kinda on the fringe even for me. You know, I’m a very analytical human being. And so that’s kinda even what I did. I went to justify my reasoning for enjoying this process by finding studies that are associated with the benefits of singing or, but another thing that I do is I look for the negative things as well. You know, so if there’s any problem with somebody saying that this new diet works or certain nutrients work, what, what can go wrong? You know, when a lot of people don’t do that other side of things because we want to, we all want to justify what we believe in. So I want to say that first.

And the short answer is pretty much everything you can think of can be improved by improvements in your nutrient profile. So what you’re bringing into your body is literally the building blocks for every single cell in your body, which you have upwards of 100 trillion cells that make you up, right? And so the essential fatty acids, for example, if you’re deficient in those things, your cell membranes, which is literally like the brain of the cell. We used to think that the nucleus of the cell, even when I went to school, even what’s taught in school today, but it’s gradually changing, that the nucleus is the brain of the cell, but enact, because that’s where the DNA is his house. But in actuality there’s something called enucleation we can literally remove. And they do this every day. This is happening all around the world. In science labs, enucleation, you remove the nucleus from the cell and the cell stills is alive.

And your cell, all of your cells in your body do essentially what you do as a whole person. They all eat, they food, they reproduce, you know, your cells do everything that you do. And so if you remove your brain, you’re literally, you’re dead. You’re expired. There is no more you. So when you take the brain out of the cell, the cell should die, but it can live for another six months. And so what they’ve discovered is that the membrane of the cell is really how the cell is communicating and doing a lot of its functions. And so with that as a solid understanding, I, um, I had this really interesting opportunity to kind of learn this stuff firsthand in a way that I didn’t really want to. Um, when I went to school, I went premed initially, but just for literally like maybe two, maybe two months, but I was just so, I felt so indoctrinated by the system.

I just thought that I should be a doctor because it was something that you should do, you know, like I wasn’t passionate about science, I didn’t even like science. And then hearing from the upperclassmen who were just infatuated with disease. And that’s what’s really taught in traditional university settings is a, um, really a focus on disease and sym symptom treatment, right? Pharmacology. So if a patient is experiencing these symptoms, advise these particular things, but advise this medication as well. And so I was really kind of disenchanted by that. And so I shifted over and I got into like marketing or something and I did that based on something I saw on TV as well. You know, I remember the, there was a movie with Eddie Murphy boomerang. Oh yeah, yeah. You seen that movie? Scrawn Jay, but I was like, Oh, that’s a cool job, I’ll do that.

So that’s what I shifted over. But when I was 20 years old, I got diagnosed with something called degenerative bone and degenerative disc disease. So basically my spine was just deteriorating rapidly and I was experiencing a tremendous amount of pain as a result. But at that point, what does your doctor tell you your hope was and what did he tell you that you had to do at that point in time? Like what were your options based on what your doctor said? Yeah, that was a great question. Um, so the first position that I saw, well this was actually, let me step back just really quickly. Okay. I saw a physician when I was 15 years old because I was at track practice and I was a scholar athlete. I ran a four or five 40 when I was 15 and I was doing a 200 meter time trial.

And this is just me and the coach on the track. And when I was coming off the curb under the straightaway, my hip broke. So I literally broke my, the iliac crest, the top of my hip just cracked and broke off. And that physician just was like, you know, this is weird and just standard of care medication, stay off the leg. Um, and you know, he gave me like a fancy little, um, Whirlpool to take home and ultrasound, you know, but nobody stopped to ask what is the root cause of this? There was no trauma. How did a kid break his hip? And so this physician gave me this kind of like, finally somebody told me what was wrong with me and, but he told me very just outright, and I still don’t know to this day, guys, I might’ve told you this before, but I asked him, does this have anything to do with on eating?

And he looked at me like he cocked his head and looked at me like any like squinted his eyes and like looked at me like, what’s wrong with no eating? And he said, this has nothing to do with what you’re eating. But then he wrote me a prescription to eat some drugs. All right. So it has nothing to do. What you’re putting in your mouth, but go ahead and put these pills in your mouth anyways. And so that was the level of parrot, the paradigm that I was dealing with at the time. And I believed him. And we’ve talked about this before, this is called a no cebo effect. And this is basically the opposite of a placebo effect where you’re getting some kind of a, of a positive, um, result or positive function in your body by taking something that you believe is the medication or something positive.

What I mean, the symptoms might not be positive though. So there’s studies showing that people taking a placebo, which is not a real drug, it’s just a sugar pill who think that they’re taking chemotherapy medication, their hair falls out and they begin to express the nausea and all these other symptoms of somebody who’s actually taking the chemotherapy drug. And this stuff is well documented. You know, I’d encourage people to check, check out a dr lists. Lissa Rankin’s book, a mind over medicine. A lot of the research has documented in that book is kind of like housed in there, but you can just go to dr Google and find study stuff from this stuff. But bottom line placebos are very powerful and no CBO effect is when you tell somebody something negative, you give them a negative injunction and then they believe that thing and a lot of physicians, well-meaning physicians who got into the business to help people are giving no cebo effects by telling people, you know, you’ve got two weeks to live, you know, or this is incurable.

Once you tell somebody that they believe it wholeheartedly in every cell in their body is going to be working. To that end, I’ve literally seen people, I’ve seen this happen firsthand. Somebody had a headache for a couple of days. She goes into the hospital into the ER because you know it’s getting pretty, pretty bad and she walked in on her own two feet and she’s told that she has cancer that’s spread throughout her body and she has two weeks to live within hours. She’s wheelchair bound. Okay. Just completely broken down. She walked into the hospital. Now she’s wheelchair bound, just crumbling because she’s was told that she’s about to die, you know? And that’s the power of the human mind. So if w uh, I definitely want to talk about how nutrition plays a role in this, but do you got any questions thus far?

Oh man. We’re just absorbing every little word you’re saying and it’s, it’s so powerful. First of all, before we get into the nutrition part, it’s so powerful what you’re saying then. No CBO, the placebo effect of what our minds can do if we believe something in a negative way, but also in a positive way too. Yeah. And I’m sure you’ll probably touch on that a little bit later.

People do that the same way, you know, I know people hate when I talk about this, I actually talked about this before and had somebody, a private message me that was pretty upset. And I understand that if somebody is listening to this, you may, you know, you may disagree with this, and I’m not saying it to harm anyone in any way saying that they shouldn’t work with the doctor or they shouldn’t have chemotherapy. But I’ve known people that have been told, you know, you’re going to die, you have cancer. And they’re like, no, I’m not. I’m going to hit. I’m going to heal myself. I’m going to, you know, I’m going to take, you know, homeopathic medicine and I’m going to go to a healer and I’m going to eat healthy and I’m gonna heal myself. And they do. And I’ve, I’ve seen it done even though I know a lot of times people think that sounds crazy, but I do just like you’re talking about, I do completely agree that our mind is so much more powerful than we are.

Yeah. Okay. Sorry Sean. But, uh, let’s, let’s talk about the nutrition part of this and get into the benefits of that and, and what you believe as a provider, as a professional, what you’ve seen as well with your own experience.

Sure. Okay. So I, I’m, I’ve go on to see another couple of physicians and they give me the same story. You know, this is incurable. There’s nothing you could do. And I was dealing with an extreme amount of pain, his sciatic pain. And on a scale of one to 10, just my everyday kind of moving around pain was maybe maybe like a four or five. Okay. But when I would go from the sitting position or laying down to standing up, I’d get a 12. Like there’s probably the best explanation would be getting, uh, stuck with the, with the, with the rod that they use for animals, you know, like giving you an electric jolt or getting hit with the taser and it would just shoot down my leg every single time I would stand up. So I literally got into a place where I was afraid to stand up and by being docile sitting because of being told that, you know, bed rest, be careful, wear a back brace.

I just became more and more overweight, more and more, um, disabled really, you know. And so at this point I’m fluffy, fluffy shine. And so Sean fluffy Combs, um, my last name Stevenson though. But yeah, so I’m, I’m very, very fluffy, puffy, inflamed, unhealthy eating. The standard college diet. And about two and a half years after this diagnosis is when things finally changed. And this was really incited by making the [inaudible], making the very strong decision to get well. And that’s another big piece that we need to talk about here is that most people don’t do that. They don’t make the decision to actually get well or to do a thing. It’s more like, well I hope this happens or I wish it would happen or I’ll try, you know, and it’s kinda like that Yoda thing, you know? Um, he’s like, there is no try. There’s only you, you do or you don’t, you know, or how, however he says it,

there you go. That was a little bit closer. That was a little bit close to the real.

And so what I did was really simple after making the decision to get well, I put the, put a plan together and that plan entailed three major things. One was right nutrition, two was movement, and the third one was real rest and recovery to heal from all the stuff I was about to do. So number one, the nutrition. I knew that what I was eating sucked. Like I’m eating like hotcakes and sausage and pizza and sandwiches. And you know, um, top ramen noodles, like every day, that’s what I’m eating and barely drinking even a glass of water. And so the disc in your back, actually they’re nonvascular. So that means nutrition, blood flow, hydration doesn’t get there easily. And those disks are like, what gives this kind of, it’s not exactly this, but they’re kind of like shock shock absorbers. And so the, they’re just like ridiculously dehydrated already and water doesn’t even get there directly. So what I had to do is super hydrate my system once I studied and found like, Hey wait a minute, these discs need to be hydrated. So I had, I, I went from drinking maybe eight ounces of water a day. No kidding. Unless I was like Riddick cause you know what usually happens, right? Wait, where are you drinking soda? Where are you drinking soda? Is that why? Yeah, I used to do that. Hawaiian punch.

Hawaiian punch. Oh, okay. I was going to ask if you drink mountain Dew, but Hawaiian punch is good man. Very syrupy and very sugary. Anyways, sorry, go ahead.

That was my stuff, man. It’s shout out to Hawaii. Hello. Huh? Why am I into, doesn’t come from Hawaii.

Not at all then I’m not at all,

Oh man, it says it right on the bottles, like 0% juice candy to make it, how do they do it? So anyways, um, so yeah, I’m, I’m hydrating through those means, which would really just make me more dehydrated. And what usually, what the average person does guys, and we forget, it’s because we’re in this field, is that when we finally do get thirsty, we’ll just drink like a gallon of water one time when somebody actually finally gets thirsty. I like that signal is hard enough and strong enough from the body. Other than that, they’re just going by, you’re not thinking about drinking water. And so I w I started to super hydrate my system, which was drinking maybe two liters of water a day. So go from eight ounces to two liters. And the nutrition was huge. So I studied and found out, and this is a huge takeaway for everybody.

Your body literally needs the raw materials in order to rebuild yourself. Okay. So your body literally needs the raw materials in order to, it’s kind of like your body’s a house. If you’re going to build a strong house that can really withstand weather and withstand, um, conditions or people trying to knock it down, you can’t make your house out of like SpaghettiOs and bubblegum. You know what I’m saying? Like you’ve got to make it out of real sustainable materials. And so I studied and found that my bones were made of things that I had never even thought about or contemplated before. I’m automatically, when we think of bones, what do you guys think of milk, right? Which is what, what’s in there? Oh, calcium. Calcium. Got it. So that’s the first, well, that’s the way we’ve been taught, right? Calcium milk helps bones. Yeah. That’s what we’ve been taught.

Milk does a body good, yada, yada, yada. And so the reality was your bones are actually, they is a process called biological transmutation. And this is where other nutrients or compounds get converted into other things. And so magnesium, silica and a couple of other things. But those are two major compounds, minerals, trace minerals that get converted and become calcium in your body. Calcium, like drinking calcium from an, from milk for example. It’s really an, it’s a biological end product. You want your body to be able to build stuff. Just like melatonin is a hormone that really creates great sleep for your body, but it’s the end product. Your body uses serotonin, which eventually gets converted to melatonin, which the root of even serotonin is L to tryptofan, right? So it’s like a process your body does. It knows how to do. This has been doing it for eons to build your body, but like then we’ll just take a supplement like, Oh, just but my bones are made of calcium.

Gimme some calcium supplements. Clinically. Here’s the, this is the crazy part guys, and just again, anybody if they, if you want to double check me on any of this stuff, just go to dr Google. Clinically proven people who take calcium supplements have over a 30% greater risk of heart disease. No, I’m sorry. Not heart disease, heart attack and stroke. We need a twin. That sounds like a tweetable, tweetable quote right there. We need a tweet that, yes, yes. So they have an increased risk of heart attack. Do they, are their bones stronger? Are there, and here’s the thing, did they even get the med clinic? It’s negligible. It’s, it’s almost nothing for people who take calcium supplements. As a matter of fact, there are a couple studies done with people taking milk showing that the bone density is actually worse because with, you know, that’s a whole different ball game.

Like I’m not saying that milk is bad, especially if you get it from a, um, uh, grass fed cows. Reputable source is not high heat, high heat treated. You know, there could be some good stuff there in the milk, but overall, commercial milks, we’re talking, this is a hormonal soup, right? This is like every compound you could think of to supply a baby. A baby cow. Yeah. To get shout out to Eddie Murphy and boomerang a big cow to get as big as possible. Right? So you’re just consuming it. And by the way, it’s not just from one cow. If you’re getting commercial milk, it’s put in a giant VAT from potentially, you know, hundreds of cows. Yeah. So like your hormones are just going to go crazy. Wonder why we’re breaking out. Our skin is breaking out. You get digestive distress and don’t even, it’s because of that.

And so yeah, that stuff clinically shown not much benefit. So I needed stuff that was going to build my bone. So magnesium was huge. A silica was huge. Vitamin C was another compound. And again, I can go and start just guzzling supplements, but that’s taken a, like a pharma pharmacological approach, like an allopathic medicine approach where I’m taking a drug or now to supplement instead to treat a symptom. What I needed to do was find the foods that they were found in, in great density. So magnesium, the big thing that you’re the most abundant source of magnesium you’re gonna find is in green leafy vegetables. And funny thing was I hated green leafy vegetables. So what did you do? What did you do? It takes a while for your taste buds to change people. Yes. That’s the thing. There’s certain things you could do to help facilitate that.

One of those is like juicing, you know, juicing the vegetables, uh, making green smoothies, things like that. Finding strategic ways to sneak that stuff in. Is that what you did? What did you do? I did. Yeah, I would, the first thing I did was I just went hard on the vegetables that I did eat. So I’d eat like an absurd amount of broccoli. Like I could, I liked broccoli. I didn’t like kale and lettuce and charred any of that stuff yet. Celery. So I was going crazy on broccoli and green beans, you know. So that’s what I was doing. I was making like at least half of my plate, those type of vegetables. Okay. I’m also, I upgraded the, the source of the food. This is huge for everybody listening. This is something simple. Instead of going to, um, the golden arches, we’ll just use the, um, the nickname to get a burger and fries and a shake.

I would make my own and I started shopping at whole foods and this is like they literally had just opened here in the Midwest where I live and so I’ll shop in there. It was empty, the stores were empty, it was like three people in the store. And so I was buying like grass fed beef, getting oven organic fries, and then vegetable instead of a whatever else I would have gotten and drinking an absurd amount of water, you know, on the other when I wasn’t eating food. And so just those small changes alone, I had lost 28 pounds in 30 days. I’m sorry, I’ve been six weeks. Okay, 28 pounds in six weeks. And that’s results. Not typical, but that’s the thing. It’s like it’s, it’s possible. It really depends on where you are in your, what your body needs to do. I wasn’t somebody who was prone to being overweight, so that weight just flew right off of me once I started doing things in my body really enjoyed.

So that was one of the big pieces was I upgraded the, the source and quality of my nutrition and started targeting specific things. I knew my body needed to get well through food. And so that was piece one. The next piece was exercise, which we can talk about if you want as well. Um, yeah, let’s jump into that. Uh, what did you do for well, cause that’s the thing is your doctor said, Hey, take it easy. No know he probably said don’t exercise cause that’ll further increase your risk of injury. Right. So what did you do for exercise at that point? Yes man, this was so huge. Um, you know, this is getting to a place where we have to again have that self ownership, you know, because man, we are, physicians are some of the like literally the smartest people in the world. Um, but emergency medicine is incredible.

But treating chronic illness like it’s, it’s confirmed, you know, we suck at it. Like our medical establishment sucks at it. You know, like there is no cure for cancer. There is no cure for heart disease. There is no cure for diabetes. But people reverse this stuff every day. You know, at my clinic we had around it 89 88 or 89% reversal rate for type two diabetes. It’s, it’s so easy. It’s crazy. You know? And this is the thing, a couple of years ago I couldn’t have even talked about that, you know, but now today it’s kinda, it’s becoming common knowledge that you can manage or even totally reverse type two diabetes by changing your lifestyle. You know, because what it is is really a disease of, of, of lifestyle and over consumption in particular of sugar and carbohydrates. So just understanding this stuff, listening to my physician, it was hard, man.

Um, man, it’s even hard to talk about it because they wanted to help me. But telling a person, a 20 year old kid in 2122 through this process to not doing anything is just insane. You know? And the, here’s a huge takeaway is that your body literally requires movement in order to heal itself. If you put your arm into a cast in order to heal that bone, yeah, the bone can heal. But the muscles are going to atrophy. Everything around it is going to start to die, right? And it’s going to create a greater likelihood for a future problem. So we want to get the muscle, the, the arm healed and the cast off as soon as humanly possible. So I basically put a cast on my entire body by not moving for two years. And so I started off where I could, and this is what I encourage people to do.

If you’ve got like a serious back injury, are you torn, you know, um, your, your, your pectoral muscle or something? Yeah. Don’t go to the gym and start doing pushups tomorrow. You know, like give your body time for the initial inflammation to go down. But then you need to do something because you need to encourage your body to do what it already knows how to do, which is to heal itself. The most powerful medicine for this is walking. Walking is a medicine, you know, there’s so many benefits we could sell. We could do a whole show just talking about that in and of itself. But, so that’s where I started actually. I started off on a stationary bike because walking was even hard. So after about a week on a stationary bike, I got off of that and I started walking then. Then I started jogging a little bit, you know, a week or two later and I started picking the weights a little bit.

And before you know it again, it was that 28 pound change in that six week period, which even getting that extra weight off my spine made it feel better and the pain was gone. Yeah. That’s the thing that I was experiencing every day that I was in fear of was gone. And I don’t even know exactly when it was gone. It might’ve been in week three or week six, I don’t know. But I remember. But after six weeks is when I realized like, Hey, I don’t hurt anymore. That is cool man. So what did your doctor say when you went to follow up with him? Was it six weeks later? Was it two months later? Like what did your doctor say? So I went back to the doctor about nine months later. And at this point, at this point there was like, I’d be a, it was like a transformer, you know, it was like I’m a complete metamorphosis of complete change, transformation in everything about me.

You know, at that point, uh, probably we’ll say between six and eight weeks after this process, I was still in school at the time. So people at my university were coming up to me and asking me like, what did you do? How did you, cause I didn’t look like a person who lost weight. Like I look like somebody who was radiantly healthy, you know? And so I remember walking out of my classroom, um, it was my, uh, I think it was a international negotiations class or something, something random and crazy, but, and the teacher stopped me and he was like, what? Hey, how you doing? And he kind of like put a question Mark on that seriously. Like, what’s wrong with you? Like, how did this happen? He approached me like it was the accident that I looked so healthy. Yeah. Individually. Eventually he asked me for help and so I started working with him.

So I started trading a lot of professors, a lot of the faculty students can, you know, became a straight to conditioning coach and just shifted my focus in college and to studying biology, kinesiology and all that good stuff. But nine months later, so this is already going on, that’s stuff is going on. My health is just through the roof. I feel. I didn’t just get my life back. I got a better life and I’m sitting there and I went to the doctor. It was really affirmation. I didn’t even need it, but just my man brain wanted to see, you know, so I got a scan done and he put it up for me to see. And so I had two herniated disc as well. Um, when I first went to the physician, both of those, both of those disc had retracted it and it looked like I’d never had a herniation.

And the disc in my back had grown basically. Um, there’s some of them just put it like this. The juiciness was back in my spinal disc in my back. And so he was just standing there with his hand on his chin for like, it seemed like an eternity, but it was really like maybe 20 seconds. And he was just like, he turned around and he’s like, Hey buddy, whatever you’re doing, keep it up. And I was just like, you know, I named my mind. I was just like, yup, I will. And that’s when I fired her, you know? And there’s the last time I need you anymore. Yeah. And so yeah, that’s, that’s what happened when I went back to, to get the scan.

Cool man, that’s, that’s so powerful I think for a lot of people to hear because they need to believe it that they can change their circumstances if they choose to do so. Right. And those simple steps that you, you mentioned before, like just starting up by walking, starting out by eating the vegetables that you, you can already, you know, throw down, just start increasing the portion sizes of those and then start, you know, replacing the stuff that you love, like burgers and fries from, you know, fast food joints to Hey, make your own at home with healthier ingredients. And those, those things are really, really simple I think for everybody just to, just to get started, you know, in the right direction. And, uh, my hope is that people can take away from this, that, uh, if they believe and they actually start making these simple changes, they can see some miracles happen in their lives. Why not you? Right. I mean, it happens to you. A bunch of other people that changed their nutrition and they’ve seen a lot of great things happen now. Um, I kind of wanted to get into something else, Sean, with you really quick and I’ll turn some time over to Lynn because she’s falling asleep here. Uh,

he’s making stuff up now. I’m like in thrall by what he said. Actually, I’m already going to cut you off. I’m allowed to do that. No, no, no, cause you’re getting off the subject. I just wanted to say and like tell me if you agree here.

Um, because when I’m listening to this, I’m thinking about that doctor and I’m thinking about the advice he gave and I’m thinking of course how wrong it was. Um, and it’s not to say that doctors are wrong or that they’re doing anything bad. It’s in my perception, a lot of it is from talking to doctors that they’ve, I’ve even had friends say to me that practice medicine, we’re just not taught that. We’re not, like they don’t get sick. They don’t go through a process. Yeah. They go through years of, of medical training, but they don’t go through years of training to do with nutrition and what, you know. Right. Like you’re talking about the impact that food can have on our body. So it’s really not that he was, you know, trying to steer you wrong. He literally didn’t know. And do you, do you feel like, do you feel like doctors are finally going, do you feel like where things are at now or doctors may be given more of that information? Do you feel like they’re coming a little bit of ways in that, in, in knowing about nutrition more so than they did like maybe a decade ago? Or do you think things are kind of consistently the same? Like you talked about, you know, they’re just talking, you know, they’re basically just trained on symptoms and then what medications to apply to fix the problem.

Right? Yeah. Well, you gotta be hiding under a rock if you’re not seeing like the phenomenon like dr Oz is making. And not saying that I agree with everything that he does or teaches, but I think he’s just an absolutely groundbreaking human being by getting the conversation going with the mainstream public. And if the mainstream public is listening, they’re going to act, ask their doctors about it, you know? And of course initially, um, classically trained physicians are going to brush off a lot of these things, you know, like goji berries, a pitch. You know, and I’m not saying that, you know, doctors are blatantly arrogant like that, but there are some that are like that. The vast majority of doctors just want to help their patients. They just want to see them win. But here’s a big secret, and I’ve had the abundant honor of working with so many physicians over the years and having a really just, she’s a groundbreaking human being, right?

A physician who wrote the forward for my book, uh, dr Sarah Godfrey who wrote the hormone cure and having these conversation is an also working at a university, uh, training premed students and many, many nurses over the years. Oh my goodness. I had this huge sample size to really see that our healthcare professionals are not treated very well. You know, and they’re going to work to help people, but the system is not set up, set up in a way that keeps them healthy. And so a lot of people don’t realize that in some regions, physicians actually live 10 years up to 10 years less. Do you know, their life span is 10 years shorter than their patients, you know? And in our society, again, yeah, it’s crazy that our healthcare providers and healthcare practitioners aren’t doing very well on this system is set up that way because it’s like a constant farming of people coming in the door that they don’t even have the time to spend with them.

You know, a lot of times with your primary physician, you’re with them like 10 minutes, you know, and that’s not enough time to fully assess what’s going on with you and to find out about your lifestyle to find out if you’re not sleeping well, to find out if you’re stressed about your job, to find out if you just lost a loved one and you’re in a state of depression or whatever the case might be. They’re not getting that information. You know, it’s in, you know, tap on the knee, check in the ear kind of thing, you know, which is, that’s very foundational. But at the same time, we’ve got a lot of complexity today that need to be assessed. And what I’m really hoping to kind of pioneer is a greater attention and care put towards our healthcare professionals so that they can feel better and be able to show up better for everybody else.

You know? And what I like to tell people is that, you know, these are some of the smartest people in the world, but if you teach a smart person the wrong thing, they become world class at teaching the wrong thing or doing the wrong thing. So I’ll say that again. If you teach a smart person the wrong thing, they become world-class had doing the wrong thing. And whether that’s, um, giving radiation and chemotherapy, which might not be the best treatment for cancer, you know, but they become world-class at doing that. And it’s really changing the paradigm right now because again, you have to be hiding under a rock to not see that stuff is shifting towards more of a focus on nutrition, which there’s a whole category of size now called Nutrogenomix. And looking at how even every single bite of food that you eat affects your genes, your genetic expression, should I say it’s that powerful. That’s how powerful food is. That’s how powerful our lifestyle is in effecting the way that we look, feel in any disease expression that might happen. You know, so integrative medicine is growing field, um, functional medicine, uh, and then obviously naturopathic medicine as well as kinda been around for a long time. So yet things are changing rapidly as information is changing.

Yeah. And I think that’s great because I think, you know, we grew up in a system that is kind of broken, but I like to see with, you know, podcasting now and other means of technology where these other, you know, non traditional means are getting out there in the open, in the, in the, in the mainstream media and your average person is now learning about it. And now they can go to their doctor and ask about these things. Right? So I feel like the more educated the majority of the population is, the better off we all will be if we can see it. Um, you know, become more prevalent in today’s society, which I think is, you know, people like you are pioneering and other podcasters and other people in this field or shrine are starting to start that trend and I think it’s moving in the right direction.

Um, now shifting gears a little bit here, Sean, one of the things I love about you is that you are a self experimenter and kind of like me, how I did a self experimentation with fit to fat to fit, which was we all know as crazy, a little bit risky. Uh, but I learned a lot from it, right? I, I’m not saying I, you know, it was stupid, but there’s a lot of benefits to experimenting on yourself and for you. You know, and I know a lot about you, but not everybody does. You’ve done veganism. You were vegan for years. Um, you’ve experimented with, uh, key, uh, ketosis. The ketogenic diet. You’ve experimented with intermittent fasting, uh, maybe a little bit of paleo, like you’ve done experiments on your body of what seems to work after having that experience and all that knowledge. How do you, and this, I know that different things work for different people. How have you found the best way for you to eat and how would you categorize that if you had to take, you know, a blend of maybe this or that, like how would you describe how you eat in a nutshell to those after having, you know, learned from the past of doing veganism and ketosis and intermittent fasting and other, you know, quote unquote diet,

what it really boils down to for me and something that I want to try. No, there is no track. Somebody that I’m promoting is actually listening to your body. As crazy as it sounds, you know, as, as crazy and fringe as it sounds, listening to your body. Because ultimately it doesn’t matter what this fancy pants guru says over here or this a world renowned, whoever says over here won’t one person’s poison. It can be another person’s panacea and vice versa. You know, the best thing for you could totally mess somebody else up. And it really depends on where you are in your life right now. Your unique genes, your nutrient profile, which are hormones are doing what your sleep looks like, what your lifestyle, all of these things, your exercise, that is what’s going to drive the type of nutrition that you need to bring in. Can somebody be successful on a vegan diet? Sure. Can somebody be successful on a ketogenic diet? Absolutely. But we’ve got to understand that certain things have a historical record. You know, when our ancestors really paved the way for us to figure this stuff out faster, you know, because humans have tried to eat everything, you know, from, uh, you know, random berries, poisonous mushrooms to

Oh wow. I just saw,

you know, and I just saw the other day too, we just got, I haven’t had cable in years, but, so we had cable on his ed show.

Oh yeah, yeah.

Right. So bear it. He just does. I’m just watching. I’m just like, this is so unnecessary. And there’s the one, he took welfare oil out in on a download. Did you see that one? Yeah. Crazy. Right? But so there’s this one episode though. He was like tracking um, something and then he came across some bear poop and he was like, you know, Whoa. Gotta eat the bear looks around in there. He finds something like thing is like some undigested barrier, something he’s eating. And he’s like, yeah,

boop, boop, boop.

It’s really important to understand that humans have tried to eat everything, but there’s a historical record and there are certain things that have even allowed our brains to evolve the way that they have. And that diet is generally a lower carbohydrate diet compared to what most people are consuming. Not on, not in all areas of the world because South America it’s going to be a higher ratio of carbohydrates. Um, but generally that, that nutrition profile or that macronutrient ratio is going to be radically different from what we’re consuming today. And I got to say this thing, which is vegan diet that hasn’t been seen anywhere in human history really until today. It’s an experiment and it’s definitely, it’s an admirable experiment, but it might not end in the best results for every person. For some people it might be fantastic. You know, there’s been vegetarian cultures, you know, along the vegetarian cultures, like uh, are found in many societies in India for example. But they were getting their kind of liquid animal food via milk. Thus in some cultures, you know, the, the cow was even sacred, you know, and they understand that are some really powerful nutrients that are coming in particular in the colostrum from the, from the, from the bovine animal. And so there’s this kind of hus husband, tree and relationship. But today we can just kind of pick, you know, like there’s this new diet. All Beyonce is doing the eat only purple vegetable diet, you know, so,

and who doesn’t want to look like Beyonce, you know? Exactly, exactly. Yeah.

And so it’s just, it’s really been shifted because we’re doing stuff off of a perceived a reality instead of what is actual reality. And so I really want encourage people to listen to the body. And for me, what I do today, I’ve found that eating a higher percentage of, of raw foods is really beneficial for me. Um, so I eat, I eat a nice chunk of raw foods, eat because I did a time period and I’ve only shared this a couple of times, but I ate only raw foods for about three years. And I’m not talking about Rob. I know. Crazy, right?

Yeah. I mean, were you like significantly depressed not having bacon or how did that go? It didn’t go well. No, at first,

at first it was fantastic, you know, because of going from where I came from and having that level of clarity and you just, it’s basically like being in an extended cleanse and people know, I’m sure a lot of people have done different cleanses and you feel really good afterwards. So I just kind of lived in that for a while. But eventually, so eating raw vegan nutrition, uh, one important thing that you’re probably going to be missing out on crazy as this sounds is cholesterol and cholesterol is actually the building block or kind of like the seed for building your sex hormones. So no wonder my testosterone went down and I was having a, having trouble just getting out of bed and I’m a naturally like early riser, aggressive kind of personality and I just couldn’t get it together, you know, and I would supplement that and I would feel better if I exercised, you know, like falsely spiking cortisol, boosting testosterone, but then it would tank every single day.

And it wasn’t until I started adding in a few, um, free range eggs and things like that that it really liked, just kicked everything back on for me. So I eat, um, I eat, I love the framework of paleo. I don’t label myself as paleo. I just saw it as interesting a term today, which is I’m a pagan, which is a paleo vegan, right? I’ve never heard that before by people that combining things and finding out what works for you. My big thing that I wanted people want people to walk away with is not being, not creating really Geocity around your food and not being dogmatic because that just creates separation with us. We want to encourage people to eat healthier and to do better, whatever it is for them. You know, if you’re a vegetarian and you want encourage more people to take on that lifestyle, you’re going to get a lot more buy in by you representing it and you showing people what healthy vegetarianism can look like and being a kind, encouraging human being.

And if somebody’s at a stage where you know they’re eating grass fed meat instead of factory farmed meat, you know, where is just a ridiculous amount of of disease and death happening. You know, give them credit for that and where they are, you know, and like relate to them on that step that they’ve taken. You know, that’s what I really feel I want. I want people to walk away understanding that whatever it is that you choose to do, we don’t want to be religious and dogmatic about it. You want to be opening? I mean, sorry, come to people with open arms and show them with your example.

Oh, that’s a great point. Super powerful. Yeah,

no, I love that. Um, and I was just laughing because when you said, you know, I want people to do what their body wants, I like gave this knowing smile over to drew because of course nobody can see us. And then he tried to kick me and he laughed because he knows like that’s like, that’s [inaudible]

sounds like my body’s telling me I need the donut. I need a donut. Okay. Yeah, listen to my body.

But like, I mean he’s taken to the extreme, but no, like it’s been interesting. Like what I’ve been doing the last six months is I wake up every morning and I of course do like my meditation and my positive affirmations and then I ask my body, like, I asked myself like, how do I want to move today? You know, I don’t do any sort of like continual structured exercise where I’m like, I have to go to the gym and do this today or I have to do this type of exercise today. I asked my body and my body kind of guides me in what it wants to do to move. And I do the same thing with nutrition. You know, some days you might see me eat something that’s considered like paleo style and then other days, yeah you might see me be eating a donut and you know, some chocolate or something.

Like I literally just listened to my body every day and I do focus a course on like giving my body the nutrients that it needs and by, I know that people would say, Oh well if you eat everything that you craved, you’d never eat healthy. But the truth is as you learn to like love your body and serve your body, like you really will be guided towards healthier foods overall. And of course you still will indulge here and there. But um, it’s an interesting cause. I don’t track calories. I really do kind of just eat whatever my body’s guided to do and I haven’t gained any weight. Um, which to me was mind boggling cause I’m like if I stopped doing structured workouts and if I stop eating so rigorously and counting my calories and counting my macros, I’m going to gain weight and it hasn’t happened, you know? So there I think there’s a lot of power to be said that everyone’s body’s different and you can still be healthy. Um, and my health has improved too, but you could still be healthy by, you know, just listening to your body and just trying to be, you know, healthy but not so strict. And like you said, dogmatic and religious about like having to do a certain thing a certain way.

Yeah. Cause I th honestly, I see this a lot in the industry and the being in the fitness industry and being on social media, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, you see a lot of demonizing like, Oh, you, you know, uh, you’re eating something that has gluten in it. Like you’re a bad person, or how could you feed your kid that, this or that? And there’s a lot of judging and, and it is almost like a religion. You see that among religions today, people judging each other for this or that and you see it in the diet industry, which is really strange to me, but it exists. Um, so you, I kind of want to ask you, Sean, you being a dad, you have a teenager, you have a, um, a younger son. Um, how do you deal with, with not being so strict and passing it onto your kids?

Cause you know what’s healthy for them. You want to be in control of what they eat. But a teenager, no matter who you are, does not want to listen to you. Right? I mean, for the most part. So how do you get, how do you avoid those fights in those, those moments where you’re like, you better eat your vegetables if you’re grounded or you know, you better, you know, why did you eat pizza today? What’s wrong with you? Like how do you find that happy balance so that your kids have a good relationship with food as they grow up? I’m curious how you approach it.

First of all, I just want to acknowledge Lynn because that was Epic, that statement. And that’s, she’s a very evolved, he would be able to be able to live like that. I love you and


and you know, that’s what we want to strive for. But the reality is this is that, you know, there is some initial buy-in, you know, some things you do have to pay to play. And I’m sure you guys have done this like weird, like done weird stuff, drinking wheat, grass shots and you know, whatever, like stuff that you didn’t enjoy, but to get yourself to a place of health and balancing cleanliness is really paramount in our society today. If you haven’t been there, you know, so initially, yeah, there’s going to be some stuff. There’s going to be some stuff you’re going to struggle with. But once you get yourself to a place of balance, listening to your body’s going to be the best cue because it’s going to keep you mentally sane as well as physically healthy, you know? So I just want to acknowledge you for that. But with the kids, you know, um, I’ve got a 14 year old, I have a 19 year old who’s in college and I have a four year old. So this big variance and my teenager, I’m sorry, he’s not 14, he’s 15. He would be mad if I said


with him. You know what’s so interesting is that my kids were eating better than I was when my, when my health was messed up, you know, because, so when I was like, I had two small kids when I was going through this process, you know, around 20, you know, 21, 22 years old. I had kids early. So, um, they were already getting things better than me. But of course it’s, as they get older and they start to have fast food and pizza and you know, all this processed stuff, they’re going to acquire a taste for it. And what’s really been most helpful is number one, and this is huge guys. It’s just you have to do it yourself. You know, you be it yourself. My kids are going to eat what I’m eating. So if I want them to be healthy, I’m not going to be bringing, you know, I’m not going to be bringing, uh, bags of take of takeout and fast food into the house every night or constantly ordering pizzas.

I used to do that because I was asleep, you know, and now there’s no way I would do that to myself as well as my children. You know, and this is a kind of that analogy of putting your own mask on first. You gotta to take care of me. So once you’re taking care of yourself, you’re not going to subject your kids to that stuff. And the other thing is like if you’re trying to make a change now and your kids or you’re afraid they won’t be on board, you’re the parent. Like it’s very simple. If they want to eat, they’re going to eat what food we have. You know, it’s really that simple, you know, is just like putting on your big boy pants or your big girl pants and saying, you know, I’m the mom or dad and my kid isn’t going to dictate what we bring into the house and what we’re eating as a family.

So that’s number one foundational thing. Number two, you know, my son, my 15 year old son is he just walked in from school just now. He’s really motivated by achieving goals himself. You know, especially when you get to high school and you know you want to play sports or you’re wanting to compete, you’re wanting to just be the best person you can be. Or for other people, you know, it’s finding out an angle with your kid, you know, so maybe your kid is not into sports, maybe their math, right? Maybe they’re like killing it at the spelling bees or whatever, you know. And so it’s just like, you know what, here’s these studies showing that your memory is going to be improved by such and such percent by eating propolis or bee pollen or whatever it is. You know, like finding an angle to help your kid if you think that they’re not going to be on board because it’s all like, especially with a teenager, you know, it’s like they’ve got their own reality and their own goals. You want to help to affirm and support that, you know? So that’s what I do. And then with the four year old, it’s just very simple. If, if my little guy wants to eat, he’s going to eat.

This is what you eat. Yeah. Yeah. We did that with our kids too. I mean, like you said, like they’ll eat what you give them. And of course like if we gave our kids pizza every day, they’d love to eat it. And do they pizza? Sometimes, yeah. I mean they have pizza every once in a while, but for the most part, like people that see my kids eat a lot of times they’re like, that’s it. Like that’s what you’re feeding them because it’s not always even fancy. A lot of times it’s raw vegetables like broccoli and carrots and bell peppers and, and then some fruit and then some nuts like cashews or pumpkin seeds. And then there’s some type of lean meat or eggs or something like that. People are like, that’s not really a meal. And it’s like, yeah,

where’s the cheese and bread?

Right. But you know, it’s like they’re going to eat what you give them. My kids eat that almost every night, you know, without complaint because that’s what they’re used to, you know?

Yeah. And I think you made a good point, Sean, in that if you look at your childhood and how you grew up, like I know for us coming from a family of 11 kids, it was, you know, it wasn’t about being healthy. It was like, what do we have to eat today? Like what are you going to feed his mom to feed 11 mouths? It’s really difficult to do. And then my parents didn’t have the knowledge, right. So if I compare my childhood to where my kids are at, they’re in such a better position, right. With the knowledge that I’m passing down to them, even if they don’t eat perfectly all the time. Or they go to school and they have a friends house and they have this or that or grandma’s in town and she makes them cookies, like they’re already at a better starting point than where I was as a kid.

So that’s, that’s a great way to look at it. And I liked the other thing you said about teenagers when they get to the age that they have certain goals of wanting to be good at this or good at that and you can use that to show them how nutrition exercise can help benefit them and whatever it is, whether it’s sports, you know, or whether it’s math or, or, um, uh, a school and other areas. So like basically what I’m saying is like, like you said, is that, uh, you can show them how nutrition can benefit them no matter what their goals are. And I think that’s great advice for people to have teenagers.

Yeah. It’s creating a wife for them. You know, we talked about that along the fitness industry, like when people are trying to become healthier, someone like Sean, it might’ve been obviously his health and like his, his medical condition and for you know a lot of people they have different reasons whether it’s to be healthier for their kids or to cure a disease or just have a better way of life. And then of course like why not obviously give a reason and help your child and your teenager specifically have a why of why they want to, you know, live healthier lives and make better choices. So I love that and I mean I know we could, I know drew and I are coming to their love like we’ve been on the phone with Sean forever.

I know man. I know you have to write books and you’ve got to do some more singing Instagram videos. I know you’ve got a lot to get to.

Well we could just, and we need to get throughout the course. We’re going to have him on again.

Well we aren’t going to have you on again Sean, because I know that your, your book is coming out soon. Uh, March of 20:16 AM I right? That’s right man. Okay, so we will have you back on before that to launch your book. Uh, but we want to get to the important part of this episode, which is the lightning round. [inaudible] we know all the double jeopardy. That was after the yes, because we’ve already been through this with Sean, but we got some new questions for you. I think so.

Uh, well actually right before we start the lightning round though, let everybody know how they can find you like on social media or your website to tell everyone how they can find you. We’ll put it in the show notes too.

Awesome. Well, if people are listening to this podcast and obviously they listened to podcasts so people can find me at my show is called the model health show. And currently right now we’re on the homepage of iTunes, which is crazy. Um, the show is doing phenomenally well. We just crossed over 3 million listener downloads and shooting quickly towards 4 million. And my show is really dedicated to being the definitive guide on whatever the subject matter is. So if we’re talking about reversing type two diabetes, you’re going to learn everything I know. And then some, you know, because I might be bringing on another experts, talk about the subject matter. Um, high cholesterol, heart disease, depression, uh, cancer treatments. And then you know, some moral, I guess sunshiny fun topics as well, you know, so, but we have a great time and we make sure that everybody walks away with a lot of value there.

Uh, so people can check that on an iTunes or Stitcher or you can go to my website, the model health show.com and you can check it out there. And we also do videos for the show too and on social media. And I told drew this already. I know I’m late to the game on it’s grand, but I’m there and sharing some really cool stuff. I’m at Shaun model, so S H a w N M O D, E L, and the same thing on Twitter. On Facebook. It’s four slash the Shaun model and that’s what people can connect with me.

Awesome. We’ll put that in the show notes for you guys. Go to Instagram and watch that clip of him singing. It’s really good. It’s really good. All right. All right, so lightning round. For those that don’t know and everyone should know by now, we obviously finished the episodes with random pointless questions that probably don’t matter to anyone but me, it’s the part I enjoy the most, uh, because I was catches people off guard and they always say stuff that usually later they’re like, why did I say that? And I’m like, exactly. That’s exactly what I wanted to know. So, alright. Are you ready? I’m ready. All right. If you had to survive, Oh, you’re probably going to give us a scientific answer. Okay. Take, take, take out all reasoning behind the actual point of living. If you could only eat one thing everyday for the rest of your life, what would it be? Sweet potatoes. Sweet potatoes. That’s a good one. Sweet potatoes with like sugar and stuff on top pie or like baked potatoes. Like marshmallows or, or just potatoes cause you can ma cause you could do so much with them.

Yeah. I mean there we could make sweet potato fries. We could just bake the sweet potato. We could make sweet potato pie, which I guess the sweet potato would have to be the crust and the fillings,

whatever way. Okay. Okay. I like it. All right. What’s your most embarrassing moment? Oh my God. Or the, or at least the one that comes to mind. An embarrassing moment.

Okay. Um, I’m really thinking, whatever’s going to pop in my mind. I’m going to say, uh, Oh man, nothing is popping in my head. Is it because you don’t get embarrassed or is it because you really can’t? I mean, I just faced it like I just posted a video of me singing.

Yeah, but you’re a good singer. No [inaudible] moment is like, Oh, I have an embarrassing moment is it’s embarrassing moments. Like, Oh, you know, when I first met my now wife, I was on a date with her. We were in the car, I really had to fart, but I wasn’t sure, but I like just in case I did, but then it was really smelly and she looked at me really weird. Like, that’s embarrassing. We need something like that. Did that happen?

First of all, I’m not in a boy band. You know, like I’ve never had an experience with singing like publicly like that, you know, that was pretty, it was, I guess it was embarrassing at first, but then it’s just like, nah, whatever, you know. So, but something that I can think of on your prompting is, Oh man. I mean it’s still, it’s really, I don’t think it’s that big of a deal, but, um, my first speaking event that I ever did, um, it was a huge whopping audience of three people. I was so nervous and fumbling, I was sweating and I’m not like a S I’m not a sweater, you know, like day. That’s the, that’s crazy. I’m not a sweater.

Nevermind. I’m glad you’re not a sweater. We know you’re human.

Oh. So, but I was sweating and I was so nervous and just fumbling my words. And, um, I just really had a hard time communicating and at the end of it, I mean everything kind of turned out well, but I would mean I was just super embarrassed to stand up there in front and talk in front of people and talk. But um, you know, that’s transitioned into like speaking on stage in front of 5,000 people at one time. And you know, it was a good end to that story, but if there was something more embarrassing, I know there’s something, it’s just not popping into my mind.

That’s good. My embarrassing stuff is like right at the top before front. Like if someone asked me, it’d be like hard for me to, it would be hard for me to actually just pick one. And I’ve shared a few with people and they’re like, they’re probably not that bad. And every embarrassing story I’ve showed people, they’re like, Oh my gosh, that’s awful. Wow. Well a lot to ask your wife that question the next time you come on we’ll, we’ll ask her. Yeah. Awesome. And I want to hear Lynn stuff now. Mind you. I mean it’s, you could do a whole episode on [inaudible] and all my bear see moments. I mean, be pretty crass though. Okay. Next question. Sean.

Do for us your best Ben Stiller impersonation. Oh man. Ah,

from any movie. Okay, here we go. Go.

No, it makes me bleed my own blood.

Really good. She was really good. You sounded like white Goodman. Is it better because your voice is like butter, but you know. Yeah.

Ah, okay. What’s your favorite cheat meal? I call it a treat meal, bro.

Oh, sorry. Just to shade to shade, right.

Um, maybe at least every other Saturday after doing a great workout with either my wife and or my son. Um, having those gluten-free pancakes. Okay. Um, back at the house, you know, so we use, uh, I mean, you know, we can make these using different flowers and whatnot, you know, coconut flour and stuff like that, but we just use a basic gluten-free, um, pancake mix and I’ll throw some hemp protein into it, some ground seeds to give a little bit more benefit, but there’s still pancakes, you know, so that’s, that’s my favorite.

That is the most healthy response I’ve ever heard for a treat male. I mean the pancake part, I was like, Oh, okay. And then he was like, but then I like to throw in some super food, chia seeds with some coaching, really fortify the nutrients in those pod cakes.

Okay. Then the next one hasn’t really a question. It’s a request. And so you did what you did on Instagram. You saying, we’re asking you right here, right now on the spot, on the fit to feds fit experience podcast to do your ten second blip of you singing. And you have a, you have a mic right in front of, you probably have this pop stopper thing and we know you’ve got your headphones on. So give us your best right now,

bro. You have no chill. You have chill bro.

[inaudible] you know Sean, if you don’t like this request it, it was only from drew. It wasn’t for me. I like it, but it wasn’t from me.


I’m going to lose double jeopardy on this with man. Like there’s no way I could do that right now.


this is an embarrassing moment. Thank you. We can give you, I know we can create your most embarrassing moment, right?

Not my, I’m all hot. No man,

I can’t do it. Okay. We almost created your most embarrassing.

Oh, I love that. See it shows, it shows even, you know, even you, every person, we still, you know, we still have stuff to work through even in an amazing singer. You’re such a good singer. I’m surprised. I thought maybe you’d like start into some crazy like original song you wrote and be like, well since she asked, I wrote this one just last night. But yeah.

Okay. Last question. Last question I ask everybody. Would you ever do fit to fat to fit on purpose? Oh man, you did it already once on, on, not on purpose, but on an accident and you kind of, you know, Shaun fluffy Combs, would you ever do it on purpose to gain a better understanding?

You know what, I got you in my life, man. So

absolutely not. No way. Jose, nowhere way. I don’t blame you, uh, by any means. Majority of people that come on the podcast say the same thing, um, although they do hesitate, they’re like, Hmm, wait a second, I could eat whatever I want to for six months. And then they’re like, I know I couldn’t do it. So you’re, you’re, you’re, um, you’re among many others that said no and I don’t blame you, so don’t worry about it. And uh, yes, you can always just use my example if, uh, if you need to. So anyway, Sean, we’ve gone way over our time here. We’ve had so much fun with you and we’re going to have so much more fun with you in the future. We’ll bring you back on in March for the launch of your new book. But thank you so much for joining us here. On the fit Fred’s fit experience podcast. It’s always been a pleasure and so thank you so much.

It’s my pleasure guys. I love you guys. Thanks so much for having me on and yeah, can’t

wait to do it again. Okay. Happy holidays man. You guys. Bye. Thank you guys so much for listening to today’s episode with Sean Stevenson. We really hope that you found some beneficial information from this episode that you can take away and apply in your life and really try your best to, to maintain a healthy lifestyle and continually upgrading your knowledge. And so we really, really appreciate you guys supporting our podcast. Um, you can actually help us by donating to our podcast. Now. We have a donate link on our website fit to fat to fit.com for slash podcast and we really appreciate you guys sharing the news with your friends and family. So please subscribe on iTunes, please leave us a review. And if you like an episode, it’s so easy to share now with social media. We really appreciate that.

Yeah. And let us know if there’s any topics that you want us to discuss or any people that you want us to have on the podcast. We want to make this about you, about improving your knowledge about health and wellness so that you can become the healthiest version of you. And so any topics that you want us to discuss, diets you want us to look into, people you want on the show, make sure to comment or reach out to us on social media or on our website to let us know.

Yup. Thank you guys so much. So our websites are fit to fat to fit that calm.

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And all of mine are at Fitbit fit to stay in the know you guys. We have some big announcements coming up, so stay in touch and have a great


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